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  • #46
    Some of the mediocrity can be explained by injuries. Storl has had back issued all year long, same for Max Heß. wLJ we have five 6.90+ jumpers who are either out with serious injuries/sickness or just coming back from injury. Moguenara (7.16) is out for year, Wester (6.95) just back from torn ligaments, Malkus (6.92) caught a serious malaria virus in 2016 and has been battling with health problems ever since. Claudia Salman-Rath (6.94) also still recovering from torn ligaments. And Melanie Bauschke (6.90) recently retired.
    If you removed five of the six best US long jumpers, what would be left? No country can recover from such losses.

    There are also other ways to look at the facts you mentioned, for example: Germany currently has the women's javelin European champion, European U23 champion and U20 silver medallist. In the shot put six of the 10 best European U23 are German.

    There's still talent, but there are way too many injuries at the moment. And there is also a federation actively making life harder for athletes.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Atticus View Post
      Just think, back in the early 70s, almost 50 years ago, just one half of Germany was outperforming the whole country now!
      💉

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Atticus View Post
        Just think, back in the early 70s, almost 50 years ago, just one half of Germany was outperforming the whole country now!
        They were on top of the rest of the world then.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Sasuke View Post
          HT almost doesn't exist.
          It does seem like a very long time since Germany last had a truly world-class men's hammer thrower.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Atticus View Post
            Just think, back in the early 70s, almost 50 years ago, just one half of Germany was outperforming the whole country now!
            The Western part in the 80s was probably also outperforming the united country now.

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            • #51
              I agree with norunner; there are just too many injuries in some of the key events at the moment. If, for example, Germany's top male 400m runners were all injured, we wouldn't notice, but like any regular nation, when top performers are out the overall standard is poor and noticeable.

              On the plus side, even with Vetter injured, the men's JT is still good, and at least one of the Germans will be challenging for medals in Doha. The women's DT still has women able to push for a medal. Schwanitz isn't at her best but she has time. Hussong is showing some consistency this season. So even without Storl and C.Harting all over the place, the throws are still in a good place.

              In the women's 100m at least, there is good depth which bodes well for the 4x100 (if they can get their women to start competing! I dont think their optimum 4 have been chosen yet!*) and then of course Mihambo & Koko will fight for medals.

              Mihambo has been brilliant this year, and a last round 7.16 shows she can pull one out when she needs to. Her 11.2 form is perfect for LJing, any faster and it's too hard to control your approach.

              * Pinto has only been with Rana Reider for just over a couple of months but already looks better, she looks stronger and more confident. I can see a sub 11 imminently. Despite winning the double, the German selection policy means she cannot do the 100, 200 & relay, so she will be doing the 100 + relay.
              Luckenkemper threw a bit of light-hearted shade, saying it was clear who peaked for the nationals, whilst she would be peaking for Doha, but she did congratulate Pinto for a great run.
              Mihambo said she wants to do the 100 and the LJ in Doha. Only winners at the NC's are guaranteed selection, however her third place here, and another qualifying time, means she should get the third spot. So Selection wise, it should be Pinto, Luckenkemper & Mihambo in the 100m.
              Laura Muller, who started the year off brilliantly with an 11.15 & 11.16 in still winds, hasn't got over the hamstring tear she sustained not long after. She made the 100 final with an 11.39 ht but then was only 7th in the final in 11.51. She has been selected for the European Team Championships in the 100 & 4x1 this weekend....if she runs. She qualified for the 200 final but DNS it. If she isn't injured again, she has time to regain her form somewhat, and may be in the 4x100 in Doha (the European team champs are effectively a test for her).
              Now, the 200m remains open for slots. Pinto cannot double, and Kwayie will probably just miss out on 100m selection (unless the DLV decided to select her instead of Mihambo). In which case with a 22.8 and second behind Pinto, Kwayie will do the 200 in Doha, and the 4x1. That leaves two spots open. In theory Muller could try that event, but it just seems her injury has affected her 200m running even more than her 100m running.
              Anyway, the 4x100 should be Pinto, Luckenkemper, Kwayie + AN Other. It could be Muller, or one of the 200m specialists like Wessolly. It may come down to whether Muller can regain form & do well this weekend.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Wiederganger View Post
                Mihambo's 11.2 form is perfect for LJing, any faster and it's too hard to control your approach.
                Tell that to Carl Lewis and all the other speed-based jumpers (Jesse Owens also). Speed on the runway is always a plus. The only consideration is that the faster you go, the lower the angle of take-off. Faster/lower is better for some athletes, others, not so much.

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                • #53
                  I guess even the slowest of the international male LJers can run a lot faster than 11.2.
                  Było smaszno, a jaszmije smukwijne...

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                  • #54
                    ..and faster/higher is best of all.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by lonewolf View Post
                      ..and faster/higher is best of all.
                      Both Beamon and Powell had tons of speed and great ups.

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