Iaaf world rankings dalilah muhammad wtf ???

[Alan Shank]

None of what you wrote explains giving a DL win more points than a WR. Besides, not all DL events are equal, there were meets with weak fields, yet you still get the full points. The only way to make such rankings "fair" would be to calculate the value of each event at a meet based on the quality of the field, but that is the last thing the IAAF wants because it would make IAAF meets less important.

In baseball and other professional sports, it's called "strength-of-schedule", and is part of almost any ranking system.
Cheers,
Alan Shank

[norunner]

An Olympic victory is comparable to a WR. Any attempt to compare a WR with a victory outside of the Olympics (even by ignoring the fact that the meet is not Olympic) is nothing but self-serving. In my oh-s0-humble opinion of course.

A win at Olympics is still easier to accomplish than a world record. You get around 50 Olympic champions every 4 years, we had less than 10 world records since 2016, but we have world records older than 30 years. For example breaking Marita Koch's 47.60 should be worth (in points) a lot more than ANY other achievement.

[Guest]

A win at Olympics is still easier to accomplish than a world record. You get around 50 Olympic champions every 4 years, we had less than 10 world records since 2016, but we have world records older than 30 years. For example breaking Marita Koch's 47.60 should be worth (in points) a lot more than ANY other achievement.

Unless, of course, more than one person betters the previous WR in an Olympic final.

I might have modified my remarks something like : "The only victory I can imagine being comparable to a WR would be an Olympic victory." I think most of us could think of scenarios in an Olympic final where the victory would trump a WR.

[Tuariki]

Unless, of course, more than one person betters the previous WR in an Olympic final.

I might have modified my remarks something like : "The only victory I can imagine being comparable to a WR would be an Olympic victory." I think most of us could think of scenarios in an Olympic final where the victory would trump a WR.

I agree with no runner. The ranking system as it currently is, is seriously flawed, to the point of absurdity

[18.99s]

I might have modified my remarks something like : "The only victory I can imagine being comparable to a WR would be an Olympic victory." I think most of us could think of scenarios in an Olympic final where the victory would trump a WR.

If they had to choose one or the other, and there's no difference in bonus/prize money, nearly all athletes would prefer an Olympic gold medal over a world record.

But that's for athletes who have neither. An athlete who already has a gold medal might prefer a world record over another gold medal.

[Atticus]

nearly all athletes would prefer an Olympic gold medal over a world record.

We've had this discussion before, and there are no facts to support this supposition. As pointed out above, a WR is much rarer than an Oly Gold. Either athlete gets the term applied to them for the rest of their lives, and the cachet of "WR-holder" can far outlast the 4 years till the next person usurps your currency.

[Guest]

We've had this discussion before, and there are no facts to support this supposition. As pointed out above, a WR is much rarer than an Oly Gold. Either athlete gets the term applied to them for the rest of their lives, and the cachet of "WR-holder" can far outlast the 4 years till the next person usurps your currency.

No polls or surveys, not that one would be difficult to carry out. But it gets dull demanding evidence for every highly intuitive notion.

[polevaultpower]

Most athletes I've talked to would rather have the gold medal. Once someone breaks your WR, you will always be a former world record holder. But if you win Olympic gold, you will always be an Olympic gold medalist.

From a financial standpoint, winning gold at the Olympics is far far more lucrative than breaking the WR at some random meet.

[georgebi]

IAAF scoring tables Women WR 47.58 at 400m women gives 1305 points + 100 points for 1rst at N.Ch = 1405 total 50.02 at 400m women gives 1205 points + 200 points for 1rst at D.L = 1405 total . 47.58 in a random meeting gives 1305p ,STEPHENIE ANN MCPHERSON s 51.39 3rd place at 2019 Roma GGala gives 1150p +150p total 1300p

[georgebi]

WILL CLAYE 18.14 at Jim Bush Meet gives 1287p + 15p = 1302 total. HUGUES FABRICE ZANGO 3rd 16.88 at Müller Anniversary Games, London gives 1156p + 150p = 1306 p total ... https://www.iaaf.org/world-rankings/...mitByCountry=0

[cajun5150]

Look all the events have a rating system for placement.
Section 1.3
https://www.iaaf.org/world-ranking-rules/basics

in addition here is a pic of the break down of the various meets. The USATF is a class B meet hence less points for placement.

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Its not who you run against its which meets and the bigger meets tend to have more stiff competition hence more points for placement.

So yes 6.06 in a class B meet gets you 1283 for the jump and 100 for placement it won’t even get into Sam’s top five for average. You could jump jump 6th-7th in a DL meet with a slightly lesser jump and score higher.

They all playing by the same rules......

[Atticus]

They all playing by the same rules......

There's little 'fairness' when the 'rules' are so ridiculous. So winning the w400H at USATF is less significant than a DL meet without Americans? OK.

[Trickstat]

There's little 'fairness' when the 'rules' are so ridiculous. So winning the w400H at USATF is less significant than a DL meet without Americans? OK.

But it does seem to be something of a problem without a perfect solution. There is a danger that if you decide to give extra points for the US Champs it could be considered to disadvantage athletes from outside the US (or Kenya in distance, Jamaica in sprints, Germany in throws etc etc).

[gh]

not alll Nationals are created equal, and all events within a Nationals aren't equal either, yet the IAAF insists on blanket value.

[Atticus]

not alll Nationals are created equal, and all events within a Nationals aren't equal either, yet the IAAF insists on blanket value.

Bingo. Every event at every NC must be differently weighted.

mJT at the German Ch
Distance races at Kenya and Ethiopia qual meets.

You weight it according to the standings of the athletes competing.