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  • #46
    Originally posted by polevaultpower View Post
    Here's what I would do in a perfect world (so yes I accept that this will never happen)

    At our World Championships, hold the combined events at a smaller cozier stadium in the same area.

    Contest the pent and the dec for men and women.

    We have two hurdles, two horizontal jumps, two vertical jumps, etc. The difference in skill set between a pent and a dec is at least similar to the difference in skills required for LJ/TJ or short/long hurdles, and certainly greater than 100/200 lol

    Adding the pentathlon works toward increasing global participation in the combined events.

    Schedule:
    Day 1 - WDec/MPent
    Day 2 - WDec/MDec
    Day 3 - MDec/WPent

    You could do this on the Mon-Tue-Wed or Tue-Wed-Thu of Worlds.

    The combined event athletes would be well served by having a small stadium filled with knowledgeable, passionate fans who can focus their sole attention on the combined event athletes, rather than a nearly empty stadium where security is making fans leave because the combined events fall between two sessions.

    Each day a champion is crowned.

    Then, produce a high quality 5-10 minute video per event. Display it in the main stadium prior to the start of a day's competition, followed by the medal ceremony for that event. Bam, you've hit the attention span of most of the track fans who simply are not following the hep/dec very closely.


    I don't think our current system serves anyone well. The combined event athletes at Worlds don't get the attention they deserve. It can be difficult for combined event fans to get enough tickets to hit all the right sessions, and even with the right tickets, they are still sometimes forced to leave the stadium in the middle of an event.

    If the meet is held somewhere that lacks a suitable second facility, I would still say do it on dedicated days in the main stadium but have free admission, or make tickets super cheap. Changing the production and staging of the combined events would serve the sport better, and adding the pentathlon for both genders solves most of the issues around hep versus dec.

    Making the pentathlon a standard event also does open up the possibility for larger meets to contest it, though I still could not ever see the Diamond League making it an actual DL event.
    You have a good idea. The pentathlon could open multi-events to athletes from places where the pole vault, for example, is not an affordable option. That should especially make 18.99s happy.

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    • #47
      https://www.deviantart.com/ralmcg/ar...ents-809291309

      That's the link to my digital poster of the women's decathlon events. None were from an actual decathlon and only two were from a heptathlon. The rest were from individual events.

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      • #48
        In some Strongman contests, the athletes don't know what events will be contested before the competition.

        My plan was to have the local HS track kids do this with a Pentathlon during spring break.

        There would be drawings to pick which event per category:
        sprint/hurdle event: 60, 100, 200, 60h, 110/100h
        throw: SP, DT, turbojav, HT
        jump: LJ, HJ, TJ
        run, jump or throw: from the previous events not done
        distance event: 800, 1000, 1500, 2000

        The idea was met with great enthusiasm, but never happened (mostly due to administrative apathy)

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Fortius19 View Post
          In some Strongman contests, the athletes don't know what events will be contested before the competition.

          My plan was to have the local HS track kids do this with a Pentathlon during spring break.

          There would be drawings to pick which event per category:
          sprint/hurdle event: 60, 100, 200, 60h, 110/100h
          throw: SP, DT, turbojav, HT
          jump: LJ, HJ, TJ
          run, jump or throw: from the previous events not done
          distance event: 800, 1000, 1500, 2000

          The idea was met with great enthusiasm, but never happened (mostly due to administrative apathy)
          Sorry to hear that your plan didn't come through. Your idea of a pentathlon would have been interesting.

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          • #50
            Thanks! I'm still hoping to implement it one day

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Fortius19 View Post
              Thanks! I'm still hoping to implement it one day
              You're welcome.

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              • #52
                I have an idea about how to have the women's decathlon while having the heptathlon at the same time. The women can compete alongside the men in their decathlon, especially in major championships. The women will be scored separately from the men. Now I know that the major problem will be the hurdles, where women have shorter race and shorter hurdles than men. But with a little thought (i.e. placing the women's hurdles farther up than men's, along with shorter hurdles) it is doable. The other events are doable to, just use women's implements for the women, men's implements for men. Right now the number of women decathletes is small than either men decathletes or women heptathletes, so the decathlon will have space for the women, at least until the time that the women's decathlon is introduced as as separate event because of an increase in women decathletes. OK, so the idea may have been done already, so it is not my original idea.

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                • #53
                  I have a lot of respect for Austra Skujyte for competing in the decathlon. In fact I have more respect for her that the heptathletes who don't even want to try the pole vault and have access to it, even in a training situation. I can understand not wanting to do the pole vault after trying it, since it is more scary to do than other track-and-field events and that I can respect.
                  Last edited by ralmcg; 08-13-2019, 02:42 PM.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Jamiesonrc View Post
                    In gymnastics the women do four events and the men six (only the floor & vault are done by both). In tennis grand-slams women play only best of 3 sets and demand equal prize money. In athletics we have both different weights and different hurdle heights and 100mH versus 110mH.

                    Perhaps the "Blockwettkampf" the Germans have at youth level offer ideas - they differentiate between sprint/sprung and wurf(throw) competitions which emphasise different strengths.
                    Perhaps for both genders we could have both a one day pentathlon emphasising sprint/jumps and a decathlon for the all-round? That would keep in the multi-events the sprinter-long jumper types while offering an all-round challenge as well.
                    The Blockwettkampf contests sound interesting. How do they work? And how do they differ from all of the other multi-events that seem to be done only in Germany?

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Jamiesonrc View Post
                      In gymnastics the women do four events and the men six (only the floor & vault are done by both). In tennis grand-slams women play only best of 3 sets and demand equal prize money. In athletics we have both different weights and different hurdle heights and 100mH versus 110mH.

                      Perhaps the "Blockwettkampf" the Germans have at youth level offer ideas - they differentiate between sprint/sprung and wurf(throw) competitions which emphasise different strengths.
                      Perhaps for both genders we could have both a one day pentathlon emphasising sprint/jumps and a decathlon for the all-round? That would keep in the multi-events the sprinter-long jumper types while offering an all-round challenge as well.
                      Interesting idea the Germans have for multi-events. Maybe it should be adopted by the major championships and the Olympics.

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                      • #56
                        I recently e-mailed the IAAF about introducing a resolution to have the women's decathlon introduced at the 2027 World Championships and the 2028 Olympics. They say that the best way to introduce that resolution is through the individual national associations (i.e. USATF). We should try that.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by ralmcg View Post
                          I recently e-mailed the IAAF about introducing a resolution to have the women's decathlon introduced at the 2027 World Championships and the 2028 Olympics. They say that the best way to introduce that resolution is through the individual national associations (i.e. USATF). We should try that.
                          Well, currently the leadership of our Women's T&F Committee (none of whom have any background in combined events) has been very opposed to anything that threatens the status quo, so I don't think anything will happen until there is a change of leadership on that committee.

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                          • #58
                            Most of my challenges related to women's decathlon have come from other women, not the men.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by polevaultpower View Post
                              Most of my challenges related to women's decathlon have come from other women, not the men.
                              What are the other women afraid of? Having to do extra events? Well, they must not really be for equality for women in track and field then.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by ralmcg View Post
                                What are the other women afraid of? Having to do extra events? Well, they must not really be for equality for women in track and field then.
                                No they are leading exponents at the heptathlon who don't want to have that replaced by a decathlon that features events that they may not have ever even attempted before.

                                I do think the right approach is for an announcement to be made at some stage that the decathlon will replace the heptathlon at a particular Worlds and subsequent Olympics some 6 to 10 years from the announcement.

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