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  • #46
    Re: Where is Alan Webb

    It sounds like he
    >simply burns himself out doing killer workouts.
    >That often happens when an athlete attempts to
    >break through to the next level. The way to do
    >it is to increase training volume or intensity,
    >but you risk overtraining. Every athlete knows
    >what that feels like; it's the worst.


    So what are you saying? I doubt that lack of training is the problem. I agree he is probably doing killer workouts. But the "psychological following the phsyical"? What does that mean? To develop confidence he needs to get a couple good races which isn't happening because he doesn't have the confidence to race well -catch 22. As was mentioned earlier he needs to be coached on a simple race plan - stay as relaxed as possible and focus on one key guy - then kick. He is probably thinking too much. And having armchair quarterbacks like you and me all over the country doesn't help. But it is part of the territory of being a big name - he must learn to deal with it or go down never bettering his 3:53.

    His workouts are undoubtably tough - probably too tough. Overtraining? Yes, almost certainly. Running stupid in races? definately. Maybe simplify - cut back the volume, work on speed and stick to a simple tactics (sit and kick). He can't do too much worse.

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    • #47
      Re: Where is Alan Webb

      So what are you
      >saying? I doubt that lack of training is the
      >problem. I agree he is probably doing killer
      >workouts. But the "psychological following the
      >phsyical"? What does that mean? To develop
      >confidence he needs to get a couple good races
      >which isn't happening because he doesn't have the
      >confidence to race well -catch 22. As was
      >mentioned earlier he needs to be coached on a
      >simple race plan - stay as relaxed as possible
      >and focus on one key guy - then kick. He is
      >probably thinking too much. And having armchair
      >quarterbacks like you and me all over the country
      >doesn't help.

      I'm not quarterbacking Webb, I'm quarterbacking the net fans who like to say his head is messed up. What I meant by the psychological following the physical is that the psychological doesn't matter much; it's mostly a reaction to your fitness and to the resulting performances. What would bring confidence to Webb, or any athlete, is to get in great shape and run fast and win races.

      I'll take low confidence and high fitness anyday. Midway through the race the athlete realizes he's having a great day, gets psyched, and kicks ass. The real catch 22 is that to attain high fitness, athletes must walk a fine line between proper hard training and overtraining. If you try too hard and kill yourself in workouts, there's nothing left on race day. God knows I've felt that before; like I said, it's the worst.

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      • #48
        Re: Where is Alan Webb

        Webb is having a bad spell right now.
        Still he does have the second fastest US mile time this year. Ok, it is a lame 3:58 by world standards, but it is still the second fastest this year.
        He is still twenty years old and could have 15 more years of running ahead of him.

        Still he performances this year are rather mediocre.

        Right now Lunn is the "guy".

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        • #49
          Re: Where is Alan Webb

          You mean like Morceli, Ngeny, El G, Coe,
          >etc.???


          You mean someone like Peter Coe? How about
          >Bob Timmons?
          3:53 is better than almost all
          >American milers.


          You've picked the RARE exceptions to the rule. Sure they were successful against the odds. Wanna bet on those odds with your future? You'd be looking foolish now, running 3:47 1500s and looking totally lost. The kid does NOT know how to race.

          NOW what does he do?
          Joe Lanzalotto

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          • #50
            Re: Where is Alan Webb

            Webb actually has the 3rd fastest outdoor mile this year in the US. Goucher ran 3:57.07 at Victoria on June 11.

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            • #51
              Re: Where is Alan Webb

              If Webb has the third fastest US time this year then that just further illustrates there is something wrong with distance running in America.

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              • #52
                Re: Where is Alan Webb

                His 3:42.87 1500m from indoors only ranks 19th this year in the US

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                • #53
                  Re: Where is Alan Webb

                  You've
                  >picked the RARE exceptions to the rule. Sure they
                  >were successful against the odds. Wanna bet on
                  >those odds with your future? You'd be looking
                  >foolish now, running 3:47 1500s and looking
                  >totally lost. The kid does NOT know how to
                  >race.

                  Then do tell what IS the RULE for champion milers? Their coaches?

                  >NOW what does he do?

                  He takes stock and moves forward with his plan. What the hell else would he do?

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                  • #54
                    Re: Where is Alan Webb

                    If Webb never ran that 3:53 in High School he would be called today a promising young miler who needs more experience. How many twenty year olds have run the third fastest mile in the country.

                    Maybe Webb should have taken the Joe Falcon approach and run a 4:06 in high school and saved the 3:50 for the professional circuit.

                    Because of his failed expectations, Webb has become a curiosity in US track and field. Everyone senses he will eventually break out of this slump. When he does it could be very interesting. Right now he is the Richard Burton of US miling. He is a great talent that is being wasted.

                    Will Webb become a record breaker or just a footnote in history?

                    The Alan Webb saga has now become a soap opera.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Where is Alan Webb

                      Again - his only mistake was being so good so young. I'm curious - who were the second and third youngest finalists amoung men in the 1500, st, 5000, 10000?

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                      • #56
                        Re: Where is Alan Webb

                        >Again - his only mistake was being so good so
                        >young. I'm curious - who were the second and
                        >third youngest finalists amoung men in the 1500,
                        >st, 5000, 10000?

                        800m Jonathan Johnson 21
                        1500m Grant Robison 24
                        5000m Jorge Torres 22
                        Steeple Daniel Lincoln 22

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                        • #57
                          Re: Where is Alan Webb

                          There are more young finalists in the distances:
                          800m, Moise Joseph is 21
                          1500m, Sean Jefferson is 20
                          5000m, Louis Luchini is 22
                          Stteple, Jordan Desilets is 22

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                          • #58
                            Re: Where is Alan Webb

                            Hey, don't forget my 2 Stanford guys in the 10,000m, Ian Dobson, he is only 21 and Adam Tenforde is just 22. They both finished in the top 10.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Where is Alan Webb

                              Wow - didn't realize so many in the finals were that young - maybe it's time we hopped off Webb's back and spent some energy offering kodos to these guys. Lincoln deserves the bronze nuts award for his NCAA performances and making the steeple team. I also liked Johnson's 800 effort.

                              I also agree with the posting critical of all but Lunn in the 1500m. Let's not paint Lunn with the same brush as the others. He was the favorite and no one stepped up to challenge him. He deserved to be National Champion.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Where is Alan Webb

                                How old is the 800 meter kid from TExas tech??

                                Watching Webb, tactically, he was sitting around 3 or 4 for the 1st 600 meters or so, then drifted to the end of the pack.

                                He was in NO position to do anything once the pace heated up.

                                His ability to accelerate just wasn't evident.

                                Was it just me, or has Webb bulked up, he appeared to have far more muscle definition than previous times I'd seen him.

                                the broadcasters mentioned lack of tactical acumen during the race...

                                steve holman revisited???

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