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  • Twister
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    Didn't see or tape NBC coverage on saturday. Was at the jr olympic state meet in Johnston,Iowa. Tape the NCAA meet which was okay. At the Jr Olympic state meet, one of my kids(age 9) high jumped a PR by over 3 inches to win the high jump. Her twin sister was 2nd in the shot and long jumped a PR by over 6 inches to place 6th. They take 6 kids to the regions so we are going. They will be in St. Paul, Minnesota July 10-13.

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  • Django
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    >In regards to the lack of tv coverage, let me
    >point out that many times the lack is in large
    >part due to the availability of the television
    >facilities. I was at the US Nationals, and the
    >television trucks did not even arrive until
    >Friday morning, subsequently, no coverage of any
    >of Thursday's events was possible. It is not as
    >simple as hiring a couple of guys with cameras to
    >televise select events (I think the 10,000's were
    >the only finals on Thursday). An entire crew
    >must be made available, and the per day cost is
    >staggering. I think we must factor that into our
    >criticisms when we critique the coverage of these
    >meets. With a limited window for showing
    >"live" events, you want to show as many events
    >as possible, thus tv shows more short races than
    >distance races, and tend to show recaps of field
    >events since they can run the course of several
    >hours. The men's triple jump competition last
    >almost 2 1/2 hours. TV, obviously, has a long
    >way to go with their choice and style of
    >coverage, but one thing they have no control over
    >are the false starts, and thus, we viewers are
    >stuck with the picture until the runners get away
    >clean.

    Again, let me emphasize that I'm no expert about TV production. Suppose, though, that the producers looked at the schedule and saw that the 10K finals were scheduled for Thursday night, and sent one camera guy to record the event, from start to finish. Then, if the race turned out to be exciting, replay an edited version during the telecast. The commentators wouldn't have had to be present during the taping--- their comments could be added during the editing process.
    With home equipment like TIVO or similar products, recording and editing out dead time like false starts in the sprints would be simple even for techno-challenged guys like me.
    Actually, I thought that TV coverage of European meets last summer had improved a lot in the areas that I've mentioned. I think that, somehow, production values have slipped backwards since then.

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    i agree nbc gets a B plus better than usual, ESPN 2 gets a C plus, CBS gets a D minus.
    unfortunately dan made that comment, perhaps what he meant was that some 800 guys did the 400 h do and vice versa (david patrick comes to mind)

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    >In regards to the lack of tv coverage, let me
    >point out that many times the lack is in large
    >part due to the availability of the television
    >facilities. I was at the US Nationals, and the
    >television trucks did not even arrive until
    >Friday morning, subsequently, no coverage of any
    >of Thursday's events was possible. It is not as
    >simple as hiring a couple of guys with cameras to
    >televise select events (I think the 10,000's were
    >the only finals on Thursday). An entire crew
    >must be made available, and the per day cost is
    >staggering. I think we must factor that into our
    >criticisms when we critique the coverage of these
    >meets. With a limited window for showing
    >"live" events, you want to show as many events
    >as possible, thus tv shows more short races than
    >distance races, and tend to show recaps of field
    >events since they can run the course of several
    >hours. The men's triple jump competition last
    >almost 2 1/2 hours. TV, obviously, has a long
    >way to go with their choice and style of
    >coverage, but one thing they have no control over
    >are the false starts, and thus, we viewers are
    >stuck with the picture until the runners get away
    >clean.>

    You mean track is a relativly high cost sport to cover with a relativly low revenue stream?

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    In regards to the lack of tv coverage, let me point out that many times the lack is in large part due to the availability of the television facilities. I was at the US Nationals, and the television trucks did not even arrive until Friday morning, subsequently, no coverage of any of Thursday's events was possible. It is not as simple as hiring a couple of guys with cameras to televise select events (I think the 10,000's were the only finals on Thursday). An entire crew must be made available, and the per day cost is staggering. I think we must factor that into our criticisms when we critique the coverage of these meets. With a limited window for showing "live" events, you want to show as many events as possible, thus tv shows more short races than distance races, and tend to show recaps of field events since they can run the course of several hours. The men's triple jump competition last almost 2 1/2 hours. TV, obviously, has a long way to go with their choice and style of coverage, but one thing they have no control over are the false starts, and thus, we viewers are stuck with the picture until the runners get away clean.

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  • Django
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    Here's my complaint about TV coverage: They'll spend 5 minutes to show the 400H and 7 minutes to show the 200m because there were false starts in each race-- and because the TV folks like to spend forever showing sprinters lining up at the start.
    Yet, one of the most exciting races, the 10K, wasn't covered at all. This at a time when droves of casual runners are competing in 5 and 10K races, and might have some interest in seeing the best in the US competing, especially when the race was fast and highly competitive, with the lead changing back and forth in the last laps.
    Suppose that TV coverage would be edited slightly, so that false starts and endless standing around would be omitted--- the events could still be shown, but there'd be, let's say, 6 or 7 exta minutes during which other events could be shown. Suppose that the entire 10K had been recorded and, when it turned out to have been a great race in the closing stages, an edited version of perhaps the last 3 laps could have been shown.
    Of course, I'm no expert about the problems faced by the producers/dirctors of these programs, but I'm just thinking about how easy editing can be with my home equipment, and I imagine that, with professional equipment and technicians, coverage could be improved.

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    >When do they show old track coverage? Just got a
    >TiVo so can now record it while I'm at work (if I
    >haven't been fired for coming on here so much!).

    http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/tfn/di ... thread=601

    The real key is "Classic Sports Spectacular" weekdays at 11 am (Eastern time). You can usually count on some track at least once a week, but today I really hit the jackpot with six great races -- two Dream Miles, the 1969 Compton Invitational mile, the 1970 King Games mile, the 1973 LA Times indoor mile, and the 1971 AAU three-mile.

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    It all gets easier to take once you realize that (in this lifetime at least) ALL American coverage of track will be HORRIBLE. Anything less than rock-bottom, stinko-pathetic will be a gift from the heavens. It's a simple problem to solve: all you need is lots of time off and massive amounts of money to spend on airfare and hotel bills. Ain't life grand?

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    When do they show old track coverage? Just got a TiVo so can now record it while I'm at work (if I haven't been fired for coming on here so much!).

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    This morning's "Classic Sports Spectacular" on ESPN Classic was all distance races from the 60s and 70s -- really great stuff. The announcers back then did not "dumb it down"; for example, they mentioned 1500m times that Keino had run, and did not compare them to mile times at all, as if they expected the viewers to be aware of their significance all on their own.

    "Dumbing down" track coverage is simply a by-product of a general lack of the sport on TV. Since they rarely show it, they think they have to explain it all the time.

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    >and how can you conclude, just because you can't
    >stand it, that it is not reaching the casual fan
    >?

    Because if I, as a hard core track fan can't stand the coverage, how can you expect casual fan Joe six pack to enjoy it?

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    I thought the coverage was better than usual (which isn't saying much). One gripe I always have(and I'm repeating myself here), beyond the useless commentary, is that they show the LJ & TJ head-on. There's no way you can tell how far they've jumped.

    Dan O'Brien made it into my collection of inane comments. Did I really hear him say that the 400H and 800m were very similar events? Please tell me I was audibly hallucinating.

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  • 197hjsteve
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    and how can you conclude, just because you can't stand it, that it is not reaching the casual fan ?

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  • 197hjsteve
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    easy, Stinky, easy...... "putrid garbage ?"..

    just turn down the sound then and watch the picture.

    As the old saying goes, " A bad day on the golf course is better than a great day at work."

    I've never seen a "bad" track meet, and never have had a "bad"... ( oops, this is a G rated message board. )

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    >Twister, there is no use jousting with windmills.
    >Maybe, just maybe, TV's "dumb it down"
    >approach gains some fans, whereas if they are
    >too "expert" and technical it will turn the
    >casual fans away. And let's face it, all us
    >TAFNUTS will all watch no matter what. So they
    >are correct to do it the way they do. And this
    >is true for every telecast, from the Olympics to
    >the Worlds to the Nationals and on down.

    So
    >relax and enjoy it.

    Not true. This is one track fan that can't stand to watch televised meets because of the dumb it down approach. I suspect I'm not alone. I therefore would conclude that the networks are NOT reaching the casual fan, and are also alienating the hard core fan. Who's left watching this putrid garbage?

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