800m On Up In the US

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Re: 800m On Up In the US

>Even funnier. You are the one who
>first
>claimed that people shouldn't say
>anything about
>your comments, since we "didn't
>know about
>you", know who you are are, etc.
>All the while
>knowing nothing about my or
>other's backgrounds.
>Sprints are easier than
>middle and long distance
>races. Period. They
>are shorter, require less
>training time each
>day for an athlete to reach
>full potential.
>Potential in any event is based
>on
>n physiology, genetics, etc. - no drug talk
>for
>now. But the amount of work to reach
>one's
>potoential varies for each event. To say
>the
>800 is easier, or requires less work,
>is
>ignorant. Sure, pretend you actually
>competed.
>You probably have more in common with
>Mario
>o Lanza than Michael Johnson.

No
>sense in wasting other people's time. If want to
>continue to insult me let me know and I'll give
>you my e mail address, Gene, now that you've
>morphed from Two Lapper.


Haven't morphed - just commenting on you attacking any and all who disagree, while hypocritically doing what you accuse others of engaging in

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Re: 800m On Up In the US

>Are Kenyan distance runners the most powerful
>athletic force in the world. Never has one
>country ruled a sport so completely as Kenyan
>distance runners.
I bet they will win 80% of all
>the distance medals next Olympics.


Dunno about that. There are a couple Ethiopians that might have something to say.

>>As mentioned before, Lee Evans put in tons of strength work and couldn't crack 1:51

So what you are saying is that this 43-point quarter miler could only run 1:51? There are high school kids (Ex Shannon Scherer from Vineland in NJ this year) who was a 47 point kid and moved up to the 800 for a few races and ran 1:51. I believe the Evans story, because you said its true, but I am saying that that is an anomaly. I'm not saying that a world-class 400 runner could automatically run 1:44, but for the most part, I don't think many of them would have too much trouble getting to 1:46.

I don't know why more of them don't try - the 800 is easier (much) than the 400. I've been there.

Man,
>you have never run an all out 800 if you think
>it's easier than the 400. That's the funniest
>post I've seen on this board in a long time.
>
Since you don't know what I've done or who I am, I think that YOUR post is the funniest I seen on this board in a long time. I've run enough of both all-out to know that for me, the 800 was much easier than the 400. Buthten I'm not the two-lapper expert.

>Is it wrong of me to say that the 800 WR of
>1:41.11 is equally ahead of most other WR except
>for the 200? I mean 1:41.11? that is blazzzing.

Look at it this way. If I've done the math right (always questionable) MJ's 400 record is 0.3% better than the second fastest time. The 1:41.11 is 0.6% better, but the 200 time is 1.8% better. I don't know if that is conclusive, but it gives some indication

>Before we disparage US milers any further lets
>point out that Krummenacker is the best miler on
>the North American continent. Maybe he can
>chaperone Webb through the European curcuit this
>summer. Webb needs to learn from the master.

What is Kevin Sullivan's PR?

>Kevin Sullivan 3:51 mile is still slower than
>Krummenackers 3:31 1500m, which is comparable to
>a 3:49 mile.

I am trying to put the best face
>on US miling. It is not that easy. Its slim
>pickings.

The 3:51 sure is, but the 3:31 is equal (or near) Krum's 1500 PR. I'm with you on the state of US miling. Something tells me, though, that Krum's best event will always be the 800. He's huge compared to the other milers. I remember him running against Lagat in Boston this past winter. He looked like a giant.

Yeah,
>you're no expert, and you've also never run an
>all out 800 or you wouldn't have written what you
>did. Hell, most 400 guys stay away from the 800
>because it's so tough. So, I stand by my
>statement that your post was loaded with
>unintentional hilarity.

You MUST be Sprintman moved up to the 800. Why should anyone believe that you have the expertise and creditials to comment on another person's performance. Wanna tell us how great YOU are? I know we'd all like to hear. I sure would.

>Instead of arguing about which hurts more, the
>400 or the 800...Let's answer this one first.
>Which is more painful-getting hit over the head
>with a sledgehammer or a baseball
>bat(non-corked)?
When we find this out, then we
>will know everything...


You're right of course...we shoudln't bother arguing, but my argument is not about which hurts more, its about the fact that people have different experiences, all of which are valid. So you express that - in this case, the fact that TO ME, the 800 is easier than the 400 - and get this "input" that you are "no expert" and "ridiculous" or "hilarious". Why? Because you have a different experience than someone else. No realizing that people are different is ignorant. Not be able to deal with the differences is intolerant, which is a whole lot worse. Thank god that for every Thanos, Cyril, Mark Hadley, or any of those other people who have an opinion but CAN tolerate a divergent point of view (and actually appear to enjoy the discussion) there are only very few people who cannot peacefully and intelligently deal with differences of opinion without attacking the character and credentials of the writer.

Even funnier. You are the one who first
>claimed that people shouldn't say anything about
>your comments, since we "didn't know about
>you", know who you are are, etc. All the while
>knowing nothing about my or other's backgrounds.
>Sprints are easier than middle and long distance
>races. Period. They are shorter, require less
>training time each day for an athlete to reach
>full potential. Potential in any event is based
>on physiology, genetics, etc. - no drug talk for
>now. But the amount of work to reach one's
>potoential varies for each event. To say the
>800 is easier, or requires less work, is
>ignorant. Sure, pretend you actually competed.
>You probably have more in common with Mario
>o Lanza than Michael Johnson.

No sense in wasting other people's time. If want to continue to insult me let me know and I'll give you my e mail address, Gene, now that you've morphed from Two Lapper.

Dude,

Here is every word I wrote on this subject (and a whole bunch more that is other people's input). Tell me where I criticized anyone else, except after you attacked me for being "hilarious" for telling you that for ME (not you, not anyone else) the 400 was harder than the 800. Show me the words so I understand.

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Re: 800m On Up In the US

Will Jason Lunn run a 3:33 today?