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  • #16
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    Soccer undoubtably pulls talent away from T&F, but American Football also takes many potential weight men out of the loop, and even basketball steals a few from us. But.....their boards likely lament the loss of Godina, Toth, etc.

    Would like to see Shaq throw the discus, though - athletic, quick, 350# 7'1 with long arms is a good start..

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    • #17
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      Anyone think Jordan wouldn't have been a 28 foot long jumper?

      good call on Shaq and the discus. My god, he could probably hit 75 meters.

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      • #18
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        >good call on Shaq and the
        discus. My god, he could probably hit 75 meters.<


        Yeah, if he could stay in the circle.

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        • #19
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          Yeah, I mean I'm talking about after 2-4 years of training... not like he could just step up and do it any time. He might be too tall, actually. Has there ever been a discus great 6-9 or taller?

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          • #20
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            Of course world class (professional) athletes in almost any sport could excel in events that suit their abilities. Unfortunately track doesn't have as much money to offer gifted athletes as does other "main-stream" sports.

            It should be the responsibility of high school coaches to recruit from the other sports. To get as many of the talented athletes from as many sports as possible to take up track as a second "conditioning" sport. Some of these athletes may find they enjoy and have more talent for track and field than they do for their primary sport. Soccer and track are perfect compliments for one another and are at different times of the year in most US cities.

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            • #21
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              No other team sport requires as much
              >running as soccer. It is the perfect sport for a
              >developing a middle or long distance runner. Kids
              >shouldn't train for track until they are in
              >highschool anyway. Starting too early can lead to
              >phsyical injury and psychological burnout.
              >However, soccer is great for conditioning the
              >body and building mental toughness for a future
              >that may include track and/or CC.

              Interesting. A large majority USA & Jamaican sprinters start out young, as young as ages 6-9. With a few exceptions, certainly way before high school they're doing middle / grammer school AND club track. Although of course, they're not doing Mo Greenesque workouts at their age. Probably one of THE keys for these countries' success in sprints, although you're correct about the potential for injury & burnout.

              How young do distance athletes abroad begin? If they start out young, is that a reason why USA distance runners don't do so hot?

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              • #22
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                It should be the
                >responsibility of high school coaches to recruit
                >from the other sports. To get as many of the
                >talented athletes from as many sports as possible
                >to take up track as a second "conditioning"
                >sport. Some of these athletes may find they enjoy
                >and have more talent for track and field than
                >they do for their primary sport. Soccer and track
                >are perfect compliments for one another and are
                >at different times of the year in most US cities.

                At my high school, our fastest football guys were REQUIRED to be part of the track team. Same went for many of our female basketball players. So this is actually already done in some U.S. high schools.

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                • #23
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                  To Cyril
                  Have there been any 6'10-7' xx" discus throwers (elite)ever that you can recall ? I don't follow the throws much.

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                  • #24
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                    No - John van Reenen, the South African great of the 1970's was around 6'7 1/2", and his countryman Frantz Kruger is perhaps 1/2" taller, but the sheer problem of staying in the circle for anyone larger inhibits the likeliehood of any exceedingly tall world class thrower. Only 1 thrower over 7ft tall has thrown over 60 meters (196'10) and that was a German called Oliver Dueck who threw 198'10 in 1995

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                    • #25
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                      Hmmm... that is a shame that an event kind of discriminates against tall people. Maybe some changes are in order.

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                      • #26
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                        What would you suggest?

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                        • #27
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                          Don't worry about it. The high jump and 110m hurdles discriminate in the same way against short people. It all evens out, and there's something in our sport for everybody.

                          In any event, I suspect that the real reason why you don't see too many 7-footers doing serious track is that if they have any kind of athletic ability, there's a more lucrative sport out there for them.

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                          • #28
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                            Too bad about the ring issue - I never threw so I didn't realize how tough it would be for Shaq to stay in. Still, I think T&F could benefit by inviting Shaq and others to compete in meets - any other athletes come to mind you would like to see participate in a meet? How about Nolan Ryan throwing the javlin, or as someone mentioned Jordan long jumping. I know they wouldn't set records, but it would be entertaining to the masses - a little marketing never hurt.

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                            • #29
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                              I don't think the hurdle situation and the throwing ring situation is quite the same thing.

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                              • #30
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                                Interesting. A large majority USA &
                                >Jamaican sprinters start out young, as young as
                                >ages 6-9. With a few exceptions, certainly way
                                >before high school they're doing middle / grammer
                                >school AND club track. Although of course,
                                >they're not doing Mo Greenesque workouts at their
                                >age. Probably one of THE keys for these
                                >countries' success in sprints, although you're
                                >correct about the potential for injury &
                                >burnout.

                                How young do distance athletes abroad
                                >begin? If they start out young, is that a reason
                                >why USA distance runners don't do so hot?

                                It is o.k. to start kids sprinting at young ages. However, if a kid shows a lack of sprint speed he will likely quickly be moved up in distance and before you know it you have 9 year olds running 10k- this is detrimental for future success.

                                Of course many of the African countries start kids running early. This is more cultural in many cases than competitive. But, it does get the numbers out. If you have enough numbers it then becomes survival of the fittest - attrition. Those who stay healthy and excel continue with the sport those who don't drop it. But, as we have seen in Kenya - if you get enough to participate the cream rises to the top - and they have a lot of cream in Kenya. I don't beleive they have any other sports (other than soccer - which is a lesser sport than distance running) are competing for the attention of the best athletes.

                                Your track coach and football coach must have had a good relationship. Perhaps they were even the same guy. There is also a school in So. Cal. that requires its entire soccer team to run track. As a result they have fantastic teams in both sports. Soccer compliments running, running compliments soccer.

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