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  • Kelli White's 200m test sample....

    ....has come back clear! So it's only her 100m sample which failed the test. Puts an interesting slant on things, but the IAAF are saying that this won't change things - if she's going to get banned, she will be banned.

  • #2
    Re: Kelli White's 200m test sample....

    Just because a sample comes up negative doesn't "negate" the previous positive result. This doesn't really mean anything.

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    • #3
      Re: Kelli White's 200m test sample....

      Except for the fact that if she had only run the 200, there would be no 'news' at all. I think it clearly demonstartes that drug testing is merely a craps shoot.

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      • #4
        Re: Kelli White's 200m test sample....

        Perhaps. If Ben Johnson's Seoul sample hadn't come back positive, history would have been different too.

        The fact of the matter is that it only takes one positive sample to raise red flags that something may be going on. The fact that there are so few positive tests is not indicative that only a small handfull of athletes are using substances (be they banned or not). Moreover, it is reflective of the fact that people know how to hide them.

        Look, White claimed that this was medication for a long-term condition. You're supposed to advise the testers of any medication you have knowingly injested in advance of giving a sample. It stands to reason that if you don't tell them about it, it's because you don't want to bring it to their attention.

        I'm tired of hearing world class athletes claim ignorance of rules which even I knew as an age class competitor!

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        • #5
          Re: Kelli White's 200m test sample....

          >I think it
          >clearly demonstartes that drug testing is merely
          >a craps shoot.

          In other words, a negative means nothing as far as whether or not an athlete is on drugs.

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          • #6
            Interesting comments on Kelli, UT perspective

            http://insiders5.ezboard.com/fgridscape ... 8496.topic

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            • #7
              Re: Kelli White's 200m test sample....

              Agree all the way. We point fingers at everybody else, but when it's us, we always have an excuse. BS.


              >Moreover, it is reflective of the fact that
              >people know how to hide them.

              Look, White
              >claimed that this was medication for a long-term
              >condition. You're supposed to advise the
              >testers of any medication you have knowingly
              >injested in advance of giving a sample. It
              >stands to reason that if you don't tell them
              >about it, it's because you don't want to bring
              >it to their attention.

              I'm tired of hearing
              >world class athletes claim ignorance of rules
              >which even I knew as an age class competitor!

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              • #8
                Re: Interesting comments on Kelli, UT perspective

                TRUTH is of no matter to the IAAF...only their pocketbooks. Drug testing to keep so-called "cheats" out of the sport has never been the goal of the IAAF. The only reason it is done is to keep the IOC happy so as to keep the money rolling into the IAAF's officials pockets. This is a business, folks, pure and simple, on the part of the IAAF. They are the biggest hypocrites in the sport. Get rid of the money, get rid of the IAAF, and let's pull the USATF out of the IAAF. Tell them to take socialist-European "guilty-till-proven-innocent" system and SHOVE IT! Bunch of damned hypocrites. Makes me sick.

                Kurt

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                • #9
                  Re: Interesting comments on Kelli, UT perspective

                  "Tell them to take socialist-European "guilty-till-proven-innocent" system and SHOVE IT!"

                  This isn't a legal system. It's a sport with rules. If you don't follow the rules, you don't get to play.

                  White's guilt is show by the positive test result, an undeclared substance presence in her system. Chemical reactions don't lie. There are procedures in place for this eventuality, and they are being executed.

                  If it really is medication for a family history condition, that will be easily verifiable and then appropriate steps can be taken by White and her camp.

                  "Innocent until proven guilty" is oft misquoted, because the proper phrase is "Innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW", which the World Championships is not.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Interesting comments on Kelli, UT perspective

                    Carol Lewis quoted a doctor saying there was NO stimulant in the drug. So where's the beef?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Interesting comments on Kelli, UT perspective

                      >Carol Lewis quoted a doctor saying there was NO
                      >stimulant in the drug. So where's the beef?

                      Now this board is quoting Carol Lewis. Nice to add a little levity to the thread.


                      "It could be an ideal replacement for amphetamine in short-term operations in which fatigue might threaten the successful completion of a mission."

                      http://www.modafinil.org/modafinil/moda ... lant-3.htm


                      http://www.modafinil.org/

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                      • #12
                        Re: Interesting comments on Kelli, UT perspective

                        "Carol Lewis quoted a doctor saying there was NO stimulant in the drug."

                        I see. Was it Dr. Nick Riviera from the Simpsons, by chance? (Hi, everybody!)

                        MJD has offered a few links to articles on modafinil (by physicians), and if you go to google.com you will find numerous more.

                        When I was researching it this morning, the one which caught my eye was titled "Modafinil: the unique properties of a new stimulant".

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                        • #13
                          Re: Interesting comments on Kelli, UT perspective

                          For right now, I'll take the word of a doctor over youse guyz and what Google says. We'll see. Let's keep the cynicism down to a dull roar, OK?

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                          • #14
                            Re: Interesting comments on Kelli, UT perspective

                            "I'll take the word of a doctor over youse guyz and what Google says"

                            A few points:

                            (1) The links provided are to peer-refereed journal articles written by medical researchers and practicioners -- i.e., the opinion of *many* doctors!

                            (2) Modafinil is allegedly going to be on the banned list for Athens '04 (or so the rumor goes on these boards).

                            (3) In White's defense, the impression I get is that knowledge of its physiological effects is somewhat inconclusive. However (and perhaps unfortunately for her), that hasn't stopped drug testing procedures yet.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Interesting comments on Kelli, UT perspective

                              >For right now, I'll take the word of a doctor
                              >over youse guyz and what Google says.

                              In actual fact your source is Carol Lewis. Nuff said:

                              http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/tfn/di ... ssage=6206

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