Kelli White's 200m test sample....

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If you go to www.modifinil.com you`ll get a little insight into what Modifinil does. I posted a response to this on this site under another title. But I`ll repeat again from the site.....Modifinil 1:"Is a memory-improving and mood -brightening psychostimulant"
2:" Modifinil proved clinically useful in the treatment of narcolepsy"
It also mentioned being used with those who might be diagnosed with A.D.D. ( attention deficit disorder)...It also said it was a stimulant . Very interesting turn of events. We`ll have to wait and see how this turns out..I like Kelli White, powerful sprinter with a lot left in the tank.

[Randy Treadway]

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This morning's L.A. TImes quoted White as saying that she DID list a whole slew of stuff on the declaration form- a veritable warehouse of supplements and you-name-its.
She supposedly didn't put down the modafinil because it wasn't specifically called out on the banned list.
(an IAAF spokesman said she didn't test positive for anything she wrote on the list!!)

Well if she's taking all that stuff that she DID list she's an idiot anyway, in this day and age.
Just another typical American I suppose, who thinks the answer for everything is a pill or a powder. I'm an American and I'm disgusted.
People who insist on training on a warehouse of supplements are a walking time bomb of test positives- it's only a matter of time before your face is gonna be in front of a microphone trying to 'explain'.
I tend to have a little bit of sympathy for life-critical medications (which are actually few and far between- life critical is not the same as 'quality of life'- but at the same time I agree that the doping authorities CANNOT allow somebody with a 'special need' to be allowed to take substances which give them advantages over other athletes.
If you have such a special case that you have to take steroids, maybe you shouldn't be allowed to compete in IAAF events. That's life, sorry.

It's a similar situation as the guy who wanted to ride a golf cart at the PGA tour. Did riding a cart (with a bad leg) give him an advantage over other golfers? U.S. courts in that case said no.

But I'm not sure about major ban-list doping in track & field athletes. I lean toward saying 'no exceptions unless the level of medication is too low to provide an advantage (and SHOULD be too low to produce a positive, right?)

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Say, JRM, I've got NEWS for you. The USOC and the USATF came about as a result of a CONGRESSIONAL ACT. They exist LEGALLY at the behest of Congress. Try learning something for a change JRM.

As far as drug tests not "lying", I can show you how any system can be mis-read, mis-used, and how people like you can be mis-lead. As an engineer, I KNOW how to work a sample if I want to. I'm not explicitly claiming they did this. Personally, I'm against drug testing as a principle. It is a violation of privacy, as far as I'm concerned. I don't give a damn whether you or the rest of the world submit to such indignities. However, I do have great concern that USATF and other US organizations seem to give deferrence to systems in the hands of European authorities. Personally, I despise European authorities. They are socialist by nature in most countries, and socialism with Europe brought us the bloodiest century (20th) in the last 2 millenia. My ancestors left Europe for a damned good reason, and I'm damned glad that they did. I spit upon European "rules" and "justice".

Do I make myself clear, JRM?

Kurt

[tafnut]

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Um, no, it is not Carol's word. It is a Texas neuro-endocrinologist's (sp?) word. She did make that up.

[tafnut]

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Oh crap! I meant to say she did NOT make it up, but it did make me laugh out loud to read what I wrote, after all that has been said about her here.

[MJD]

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>Um, no, it is not Carol's word. It is a Texas
>neuro-endocrinologist's (sp?) word. She did make
>that up.

Given her journalist abilities that have aleady been dissected ad nauseum on this list, who really knows what this doc said. There is another thread on here where someone with just as much credibility as CL said that he would NEVER prescribe this drug for nacrolepsy.

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"Well if she's taking all that stuff that she DID list she's an idiot anyway, in this day and age.
Just another typical American I suppose, who thinks the answer for everything is a pill or a powder. I'm an American and I'm disgusted.
People who insist on training on a warehouse of supplements are a walking time bomb of test positives- it's only a matter of time before your face is gonna be in front of a microphone trying to 'explain'"

There are just so many things wrong with this statement. First, what is so WRONG with taking supplements that are allowed? What you obviously fail to realize is that the overwhelming majority of athletes at this level take supplements. Whether you, as an average American do or not, has no significance. You probably aren't out there training your body day in and day out to perform at an optimal level like elite athletes do.

When you fill out your forms at a doping test you are asked to list absolutely everything...phosphate, glucosamine, glutamine, creatine, birth control, advil, etc....anything you have put in your body over the last three days. Is there a risk involved when you take supplements? Of course. You can never be 100% certain of the things you injest but you do your best and try to be as careful as possible. Taking supplements however, is not a substitute for hard work and training, not in the least, and whether you do or not does not make you an idiot.

And since when is being an elite athlete who strives to be the very best and trains their body to its limits a "typical American". There isn't anything "typical" about that. Of course you don't need supplements to help replenish your muscles and aid your recovery from workouts if all you do is sit in an office all day. Why would you? But how you could be disgusted by an athlete who chooses to is beyond me. I am extremely opposed to people who cheat and take drugs that are banned. But something that is acceptable is a different story.

This post didn't have too much to do with Kelli's incident in that I don't know all the facts and I can't pretend that I do. All I was doing was commenting on the attack made on people who take supplements period because I thought it was very absurd.

[MJD]

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>Say, JRM, I've got NEWS for you. The USOC and
>the USATF came about as a result of a
>CONGRESSIONAL ACT. They exist LEGALLY at the
>behest of Congress. Try learning something for a
>change JRM.

For the life of me, I can't figure out what part of JRM's post this US civics lesson was supposed to be responding to. He said that if you want to play, you play by the rules.

Not the first time?

Interesting other news:

White had drug problems last year in France?

http://fr.sports.yahoo.com/030317/1/33nag.html

[michael lewis]

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"Bunch of damned hypocrites. Makes me sick."

Let's stage a barf-in at IAAF headquarters. I couldn't agree with you more. Ask GH about the letter discovered when East Germany ceased to exist, written by 400 WR holder Marita Koch, in which she bitched to authorities about Barbel Wockel getting better drugs than she was receiving. What was discovered combing through state files was so damning that there is no question that the DDR was one big cheat maching. They still have that 400 record and the women's 4x100. WHY?? WHY?? Fuck them.

[michael lewis]

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make that a cheat "machine". Full of Fraudleins.

[MJD]

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>Interesting other news:
>White had drug
>problems last year in France?

>http://fr.sports.yahoo.com/030317/1/33nag.html


Doesn't everyone know that? Asthma. Narcolepsy. It's a wonder this person can get out of bed in the morning unless, of course, she really isn't sick and taking the stuff for some other reason.
What that would be-I have no idea.

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kelli white's positive test for a perscription medication should not even be news. the medication is NOT even banned even though they are considering for next year to put it on the long list of banned substance (some of them could be natural). the medication she had been taking called midafinil (trade name provigil) is NOT a stimulant at all. it is being used for excessive somnolense and/or it is more severe form narcolepsy and it is recently new in the us market. according to the report it was given to her by a doctor (they even included his name and i am sure he is not happy about that due to confidentiality issues). As far as studies have showed provigil or midafinil has no performance enhansing properties. i have perscribed a few times too and none of those people improved their 100 meter times lol ! it is ironic that the iaaf released a neutral statement and did not want to resolve this during the meet. it is unclear what will happen, but this is not a doping violation even by their (iaaf and usatf) standards.
dr thanos mihas

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carol is right tafnut, just as much people on this board dont like her i think she did her research on this one. provigil or modafinil is NOT a stimulant nor does it have any stimulant properties, in fact that is the early information i have received too. i have perscribed to a few patients with excessive somnolence with limited results. certainly did not make thew sprint team. and by the way carol did a good job in this meet, much better than ever before.
dr mihas

[JRM]

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"provigil or modafinil is NOT a stimulant nor does it have any stimulant properties"

This seems somewhat confusing. Why is it then classified as a CNS stimulant? Also, when taken in combination with, say, asthma medication, there *can* be exaggerated CNS stimulation.