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  • #16
    Re: 10/21 press release from BALCO

    >> Also, it will take some scientific
    >evidence
    >to show that THG is an anabolic
    >steroid
    >according to the law. It isn't a hard
    >thing to
    >show but it has to be proven.

    Great
    >point, Ben. If this THG stuff was any good, why
    >didn't we see better times this year and clear
    >group of THG doped athletes dominating
    >performances ?

    A possible answer could be "THG is not the only designer steroid being used and designer steroids have been in use for a decade or more". In other words, you might respond that the 100m lacked high-level talent this year and drug use does not begin or end with THG and is fairly even across the board. Not that I'm making this unsubstantiated claim, Mr. Moderator (I'll just let Don Catlin say so: http://sport.guardian.co.uk/athletics/s ... 25,00.html ).

    There were five athletes under 10.00 in this "slow" year, and I only count seven athletes under 10.00 in the entire decade of the 1980s (including Ben Johnson). We may now know more about training and technique and tracks may be faster now, but if the 80s were supposedly full of cheating, what might one assume about the last ten seasons or so?

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    • #17
      Re: 10/21 press release from BALCO

      Interesting to see the tone of coverage here changing a bit. This morning's San Jose Mercury News has a huge headline on front page (of whole paper, not sports) which says

      Suspected Steroid Lies In Legal Limbo

      Note that the word "suspected" has now crept into the equation as more facts become known. I'm not saying it's not a steroid, probably is, but the papers are suddenly realizing they were guilty of some bad science in their rush to judgment.

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      • #18
        Re: 10/21 press release from BALCO

        >Interesting to see the tone of coverage here
        >changing a bit. This morning's San Jose Mercury
        >News has a huge headline on front page (of whole
        >paper, not sports) which says

        Suspected
        >Steroid Lies In Legal Limbo

        Note that the word
        >"suspected" has now crept into the equation as
        >more facts become known. I'm not saying it's not
        >a steroid, probably is, but the papers are
        >suddenly realizing they were guilty of some bad
        >science in their rush to judgment.

        I disagree -- it's news-speak when things are in the legal sphere. There are lots of examples of individuals who are immediately identified as essentially guilty, but later the words "alleged" or "accused" come into play when the courts become involved.

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        • #19
          Re: 10/21 press release from BALCO

          Great
          >point, Ben. If this THG stuff was any good, why
          >didn't we see better times this year and clear
          >group of THG doped athletes dominating
          >performances ?

          I've been thinking about the slow performances this summer in the sprints for some time now and the conclusion I've come to is the athletes knew the gig was up very early in the summer. Before this whole scandal became public I found this article http://www.sptimes.com/2003/06/03/Sport ... eady.shtml on the web about them testing a new HGH test at the World Champs and I thought that was the culprit but then this hit the news. It's funny how a lot of things that have been discussed on this board in the last few months seem to be turning into reality: We've talked about busting the people developing/pushing these drugs instead of just busting the users and that seems to be coming to light and there was some talk about testing old samples with new tests as they are developed and that seems to be happening already now too (though they are not going as far back in time as I think many here hoped for). Let's hope the USADA, WADA, IAAF etc keep pushing down this path and create an environment where athletes are not willing to take the risk of cheating. In the meantime it will be real interesting to keep an eye on the performances over the next few years to see what the long term effects this scandal (and hopefully others that will follow as others have pointed out this is not the only designer drug out there no doubt) has on the performances.

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          • #20
            Re: 10/21 press release from BALCO

            Randy's guess that athletes may have known "the gig was up" is insightful. Note that as much as T&F is sweating the results of the investigation, Major League Baseball is even more concerned. For years the players union has held off serious testing, and now a game built on statistics and numbers may be having its record books rewritten by drugged-up players. The damage to the game would dwarf any damage to our sport.

            The upside is that if MLB, the NFL, etc. have players implicated (as they apparantly will), they may pony up major $$ to develop testing procedures to prevent further erosion of their trust among fans. T&F will benefit from this inflow of $$ into testing advancements.


            Also, if the IRS is invloved it is following the money, not the drugs. Wonder if they are looking at off-the-book sales (no taxes paid) of the drugs. If so, that may be a reason to have the athletes testifying - acknowledging their purchase of products from BALCO, which if not showing on BALCO's books is frowned on by our friends at the IRS.

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            • #21
              Re: 10/21 press release from BALCO

              Some of the comments on these forums indicate why track and field, as well as other sports, will continue to have problems: This notion that we have to rationalize why people may not be guilty or whether a drug is a steroid or not. Anyone following the performances of some of these athletes must have shaken their heads in wonder from time to time, as new sensation after sensation emerged!

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