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Re: Now Calvin??
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http://sport.guardian.co.uk/athletics/s ... 15,00.html
Mackay, the author, has an article on Radcliffe in the November issue (see the front page).Comment
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Re: Now Calvin??
This article states that Calvin is trained by the Ukranian coach. This is wrong information. Calvin Harrison has been coached by Trevor Graham in 2003.Comment
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The Plot Thickens
"Harrison said he was given the substance by a coach in California, but was keen to stress that it was not his current coach Trevor Graham."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/3215125.stmComment
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>"Harrison said he was given the substance by a
>coach in California, but was keen to stress that
>it was not his current coach Trevor
>Graham."
A coach(not his own) hands him a substance that is only available by prescription from a doctor(I think) and it doesn't raise at least one eyebrow?Comment
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I am assuming that this has no impact on the WC relay gold since his only penalty would be just loss of anything he won at Nationals? Different than Chambers who would be dealing with a 2 year thing resulting in a loss of the relay silver.Comment
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Why if he tested positive at USA nats, is this just being made public now? When White tested positive, it was immediately announced.Comment
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After reading Harrison's explanation of how he came to take it, it occurs to me that most, if not all athletes, will take whatever supplement their coach suggests, if the coach prefaces the occasion with, "it's not a steroid, and it's not on the banned list." Don't we all trust our coaches? I think 70% (random high number) that athletes caught by drug tests are doing what they are told to do. Yes, they are responsible for what they put in their bodies, but we are ALWAYS told, 'do what the coach says; he knows what's best for you.' I feel very sorry for the athletes who were only doing what they were told to do by 'experts' and are now facing bans. I also believe that many coaches do NOT tell their athletes the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Either they don't know, don't care, or want to 'protect' the athlete, so he can credibly deny any knowledge of wrongdoing. I bet Harrison can pass any lie detector test question that asks, 'did you knowing take a banned substance?'Comment
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"I bet Harrison can pass
>any lie detector test question that asks, 'did
>you knowing take a banned substance?'"
What's that blue...??... oh it's tafnut's eyes...
Are you really so stupid that you believe that??Comment
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>Are you really so
>stupid that you believe that??
Didn't you know that all athletes are innocent until proven *more* innocent? It's the science wizards that are wrong, with all their technical mumbo jumbo...
It's a well known fact that the only person to ever knowingly and maliciously take performance enhancing drugs was Ben Johnson.Comment
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Re: The Plot Thickens
Notice that I did NOT say that they should NOT be banned - I said I felt sorry for them, because in MANY cases, they were doing what they were told and TRUSTED their coaches.
Re: the 'are you that stupid?' comment - that promotes debate because . . .?Comment
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Feel sorry for them? That already assumes innocence, which is my point.
Here's a hypothetical conversation that may (or may not) have taken place:
Coach: "Here, try this new supplement. It'll put you on top of the podium!"
Athlete: " Is it illegal?"
C: "Well, that's such a vague question. Technically it isn't on the list. Now, it is a steroid, which isn't allowed, but it was modified so that it'll never show up on your tests anyway. No one will ever know."
A: "Good enough for me!"Comment
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that's a VERY cynical way to look at it. How about this?
Coach: here's a supplement which will help you recover more quickly?
Athlete: Is it illegal?
C: It's not a steroid and it's not on the banned list.
A: Good enough for me, coach, thanks.
Is Calvin guilty if he did indeed take a drug that WADA deems illegal? Absolutely. Should he be banned? Absolutely. That was NEVER the question. The point is that MANY athletes TRUST their coaches implicitly and get screwed. Do you really disagree with that? (i.e. I am not asking if they are stupid or guilty)Comment
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No. It was more like this:
Some guy standing on a street corner: here's a supplement which will help you recover more quickly?
Athlete:Is it illegal?
SGSOASC: It's not a steroid and it's not on the banned list.
A: Good enough for me, SGSOASC, thanks.
Is Calvin guilty if he
>did indeed take a drug that WADA deems illegal?
>Absolutely. Should he be banned? Absolutely. That
>was NEVER the question. The point is that MANY
>athletes TRUST their coaches implicitly and get
>screwed. Do you really disagree with that?
It wasn't his coach. It was A coach. He is guilty no matter how you slice it.Comment
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