Now Calvin??

[Asterix]

Re: The Plot Thickens

Like I said, in my opinion, I do not
>believe that certain governing bodies have been
>completely forthcoming about past positive drug
>tests.

No one is argueing USATF might not have been on the up and up before 2001, but if you'll look at your original post:

">Why if he tested positive at USA nats, is this
>just being made public now? When White tested
>positive, it was immediately announced.

Because the USATF covers up! Can you say C.J. Hunter and Jerome Young!"

You'll see the previous poster was talking about events that happened THIS summer, ie AFTER 2001 when USADA took over the testing.

USADA's business is uncovering cheaters, what smidgen of evidence do you have they'd be interested in covering anything up?

[Guest]

Re: The Plot Thickens

>Since my last message was
>pulled...C.J. Hunter
>tested positive numerous
>times (more that 10)
>before anything was
>revealed and USATF knew
>about Jerome Young's
>positive test for years
>before he made any kind
>of statement in the
>papers.

Do you realize how nonsensical your
>line of reasoning is? A few messages ago you
>blatantly claim USATF is CURRENTLY in the habit
>of covering up positive tests. It is pointed out
>to you that for the past couple of years, USATF
>does not run the testing program and that USADA
>is a completely seperate organization. And yet
>here you are back on what USATF did before they
>got out of the testing business.

Either you
>did not read the message that explained to you
>USADA does the testing or you did not understand
>it. Which one? For someone calling themselves
>"answer giver", you need to work on the factual
>content of the answers you give.

Yes, the USATF may no longer do the testing, but they sure do know who tests positive before we do. In some cases, years before we do! FYI - By "we" I mean those of us who subscribe to this magazine (which allows you to have this forum), pay admission fees to track meets, watch meets on TV (justification of advertising dollars), purchase running shoes, attire, other products of the companies that sponsor track & field (thereby justifying their sponsorship of our sport), and pay membership dues to USATF. In other words, "we" are the people who pay for this sport, and "we" want it cleaned up!

[Guest]

Re: The Plot Thickens

>Like I said, in my opinion, I do not
>believe
>that certain governing bodies have
>been
>completely forthcoming about past positive
>drug
>tests.

No one is argueing USATF might
>not have been on the up and up before 2001, but
>if you'll look at your original post:

">Why
>if he tested positive at USA nats, is this
>just
>being made public now? When White
>tested
>positive, it was immediately
>announced.

Because the USATF covers up! Can
>you say C.J. Hunter and Jerome Young!"

You'll
>see the previous poster was talking about events
>that happened THIS summer, ie AFTER 2001 when
>USADA took over the testing.

USADA's
>business is uncovering cheaters, what smidgen of
>evidence do you have they'd be interested in
>covering anything up?

My smidgen of evidence is the fact that the USOC has threatened USATF, not USADA, with de-certification over non-disclosure of postive drugs tests. Just in case you, Asterisk, and Truth Squad have for gotten, the USOC threatened to de-certify USATF before and after the THG scandal broke.

[Truth Squad]

Re: The Plot Thickens

>My smidgen of evidence is the fact that the USOC
has threatened USATF, not USADA, with de-certification over non-disclosure of postive
drugs tests. Just in case you, Asterisk, and
Truth Squad have for gotten, the USOC threatened
to de-certify USATF before and after the THG
scandal broke.<

And just in case you have forgotten, that threat relates and related solely to a test that was done in 1999, before USADA was in the picture. This could not happen today because the USOC would be able to get all the information it wanted from USADA and they would turn to USADA because they know, even if you don't, that USADA is responsible for all the testing. The USOC has no complaints about the way USATF is dealing with drug matters today.

[Asterix]

Re: The Plot Thickens

Yes, the USATF may no longer do the
>testing, but they sure do know who tests
>positive before we do. In some cases, years
>before we do!

"Years before..."? Since USADA has taken over the drug testing, can you name ONE case where USATF has known about a positive test before "we" do?

Did you miss the part of recent anouncements where positive test results were sent to USATF AND the IAAF? Can you explain how USATF can do anything to cover up a result when two independant organizations, USADA and IAAF know about them?

[Guest]

Re: Now Calvin??

I believe that all athletes that have been tested are guilty of this stimulant and THG. USATF is covering up these scandals so that we can win. They test athletes randomly before they go to world competitions and no one ever comes up positive? Come on!!!! USATF is a joke!!! Present & future athletes will be affected. USATF cannot let athletes go overseas and cheat!!! I believe all athletes should be tested every month

[Asterix]

Re: Now Calvin??

>I believe that all athletes that have been tested
>are guilty of this stimulant and THG. USATF is
>covering up these scandals so that we can win.
>They test athletes randomly before they go to
>world competitions and no one ever comes up
>positive? Come on!!!! USATF is a joke!!! Present
>& future athletes will be affected. USATF cannot
>let athletes go overseas and cheat!!! I believe
>all athletes should be tested every month

If you are going to jump in the thread, it would help if you read the previous posts. Specifically the ones that clearly point out that USATF does NOT do the testing anymore. Please read up on USADA and their testing regime before throwing around blanket accusations that USATF is currently engaged in covering up tests.

I'd also suggest reading up on the differences between Modafinil and THG and the resulting consequences of a positive test for each.

[Guest]

Re: Now Calvin??

The reason almost no one tests positive right before the worlds or any other competition for that matter, is that you would have to be a complete moron to go to a competition with "dirty" urine knowing you will likely be tested. Any athlete using banned substances, knows at least the basics of how long it takes to "clean" the system, and knows their competitive schedual, so it's not too hard to clean up before competition. Besides the drugs help you train harder, not compete.

[MJD]

Re: Now Calvin??

A local take on Calvin:

http://www.californianonline.com/news/s ... 64898.html

[Guest]

Re: Now Calvin??

>I believe all athletes should be tested every month.<

Do you have the slightest idea of how much that would cost? I do, and it would be well beyoond the capacity of either USATF or USADA to fund.

Morevoer, you don't really have to test all athletes every month. As long as they know that they are subject to random testing and that random testing does actually occur, there's enough of a deterrent.

What you need to understand is that the current flap deals with two substances that athletes and their advisors thought they could take with impunity. And a year ago, they would have been right because nobody was testing for either THG or Modafinil.

None of this has anything to do with the frequency of testing. Most of these positives apparently derived from in-competition testing, when the athletes knew they're likely to be tested. They just thought they were flying under the radar, and the testers came up with better radar.

The evil scientists and coaches will continue to look for ways to cheat, and the good scientists will continue to look for ways to figure out what the evil ones are doing so they can test for it.
And none of that has anything to do with frequency of testing.

[Guest]

Re: Now Calvin??

I am predicting that if "Calvin" is banned for two years because of his two positives for stimulants during his career that "Alvin" will suddenly begin running fast again and be a factor at next years Olympics.

[Guest]

Re: Now Calvin??

He is already getting ready I thought you knew that already!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest]

Re: Now Calvin??

"Now when they look for Calvin, what will they find?"

Maybe the guy snoring in the front seat... since Alvin's got races coming up and needs a good night's sleep?

[Guest]

Re: Now Calvin??

everybody is on fucking drugs....Assholes!Even your boys Mitch and Adam.....Honkeys.

[michael lewis]

Re: Now Calvin??

"everybody is on fucking drugs....Assholes!Even your boys Mitch and Adam.....Honkeys."

Thank you Shakespeare.