When are they going to Suspend tha Athletes for modafinil th

[Guest]

They need to either suspend or not suspend and finish up with the punishments. This is hurting our sport and causing innocent runners hold up on prize money!!!!

[Asterix]

Re: When are they going to Suspend tha Athletes for modafini

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Modafinil classified as a stimulant that results in a DQ of the event where the test took place? Can you point me to the rule that would call for these suspensions you seek?

[Guest]

Re: When are they going to Suspend tha Athletes for modafini

And while they're at it, why don't they reveal the 5th THG name on their current list of positives? They said that 4 U.S. athletes failed the A-test. They've already revealed 3 U.S. and one Brit. What ARE they hiding? Or rather, WHOM?

[Guest]

Re: When are they going to Suspend tha Athletes for modafini

Far as I know, neither USATF nor USADA has realeased ANY names, let alone the fifth one. They're observing due process. The names already out there were "leaks" not official "namings." Remember Bernard Lagat?

[Guest]

Re: When are they going to Suspend tha Athletes for modafini

"she's a witch! burn her!"

[Guest]

Re: When are they going to Suspend tha Athletes for modafini

>Far as I know, neither USATF nor USADA has
>realeased ANY names, let alone the fifth one.
>They're observing due process. The names already
>out there were "leaks" not official
>"namings." Remember Bernard Lagat?

Due process?? I watched a movie the other night about the DC-area snipers! Wow, they were baaaad dudes! How inhumane of them to kill innocent people like that! Guilty guilty guilty! MURDERERS!! Oh wait, except for the fact that they *really are* innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, and the movie aired the night before their trial began.

So, where the hell is due process there? How come these guys are plastered across every television screen in America as "the DC Snipers" when their trial hasn't even started? What happened to due process for accused violators of the law?

Compare that to not releasing the names of some cheaters because of their "rights as Americans" until the magical second test has been done (and it takes three months to do it, for some reason -- thank goodness the British are so much more technologically advanced in the medical field).

[Asterix]

Re: When are they going to Suspend tha Athletes for modafini

Compare that to not releasing the names
>of some cheaters because of their "rights as
>Americans" until the magical second test has
>been done (and it takes three months to do it,
>for some reason -- thank goodness the British
>are so much more technologically advanced in the
>medical field).

Compare the difference between US criminal law and the rules/regulations governing sport, which include accepted international anti-doping procedures. One of these things is not like the other...

While you're at it, you may want to review in particular the process for the second test (which you seem to think is conducted by the governing body and not the independant labs). Ever try to arrange a convenient testing time where the athlete and/or their legal/scientific representative can be prepared and present, along with the other involved parties?

[Guest]

Re: When are they going to Suspend tha Athletes for modafini

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[Guest]

Re: When are they going to Suspend tha Athletes for modafini

>Compare the
>difference between US criminal law and the
>rules/regulations governing sport, which include
>accepted international anti-doping procedures.
>One of these things is not like the
>other...

Exactly. So why does due process, as defined by American law / Bill of Rights, seem to hold only for Americans in international athletics?

The national federations are permitted to release the names of the A positives if they so choose. So explain the ruling in which the USATF decided that they can't release names until after the B test. As I recall, it stems from rules that aren't that much different than criminal cases.

[Guest]

Re: When are they going to Suspend tha Athletes for modafini

So, where the hell
>is due process there? How come these guys are
>plastered across every television screen in
>America as "the DC Snipers" when their trial
>hasn't even started? What happened to due
>process for accused violators of the
>law?>>

Have trouble keeping up with current events do we? The first trial started October 14.

[Guest]

Re: When are they going to Suspend tha Athletes for modafini

>The national
>federations are permitted to release the names of
>the A positives if they so choose.

Really? That'd be news to the IAAF.

[Guest]

Re: When are they going to Suspend tha Athletes for modafini

>Have trouble
>keeping up with current events do we? The first
>trial started October 14.

The movie aired in mid-October.

[BisonHurdler]

Re: When are they going to Suspend tha Athletes for modafini

Ummm......they already released the 4 US names:

Toth, Jacobs, that Hammer thrower, and Calvin Davis.


Am i wrong?

[Guest]

Re: When are they going to Suspend tha Athletes for modafini

calvin davis????????????? i have not heard that one. i think u r wrong

[Asterix]

Re: When are they going to Suspend tha Athletes for modafini

>Ummm......they already released the 4 US
>names:

>Am i wrong?

Possibly. Who is "they"? USATF/WADA or unspecified leaks to the media?