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    The "easy" elimination of drugs in sports? See today's New York Times, sports section, pages C15-16, which includes the observation that "...some doctors estimate that 500,000 to one million high school students, or more, use steroids." Oh well, fabulous job security for future legions of drug testers...

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    >Oh well, fabulous job security for future legions of drug testers...<


    Me, too.

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    • #3
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      How true.

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        "...some doctors estimate that 500,000 to one
        >million high school students, or more, use
        >steroids."

        I love BS stats like this. Let's break it down, shall we? According to the 2000 Census report, there are approximately 16 million high school aged kids in the US. That number is high because we know that some drop out, but we'll use the number anyway. According to "some doctors" 3%-6% or more of all high school kids are using steroids. Now if we consider the number of those kids who compete in athletics or even care about having big muscles (1 in 4 or 5), you're talking 25-30% steroid use!
        Give me a freakin break.
        Steroid use is clearly a problem, but it's not the epidemic they're trying to sell.

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        • #5
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          See the whatup thread for the link to the story.

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            my guess is that the actual number is something in the neighborhood of 1/10th of what the doctors estimate

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              HIGH SCHOOL KIDS DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY PUT TOGETHER STEROID CYCLES............... LOL

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                >my guess is that the actual number is something
                >in the neighborhood of 1/10th of what the doctors
                >estimate


                So that narrows it down to "only" 50-100,000. So how many of these are at the top of their events in terms of performance?

                "Houston, we have a problem."

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                • #9
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                  "Houston, we have a problem."

                  "Houston, our problem is in its fourth decade."

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                  • #10
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                    "Houston, our problem is in its fourth decade."

                    Glad to see someone recognizes that it started in the 70's on a grand scale and not the 50's or 1890's like some like to argue.

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                      Actually, here is something I stumbled across today. I don't know exactly what "hop" is but it doesn't look good.

                      "At the end of the cross-country run he fell insensible after crossing the line, but sustained no serious injury."
                      From Lt. Col. Frederick S. Flotz's report to superiors on George S. Patton Jr.'s finish at the final event of the Stockholm Olympic's Military Pentathalon. By Patton's account he'd been given a shot of "hop" before the start by a trainer and at race's end lay unconscious for several hours.

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                      • #12
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                        So that narrows it
                        >down to "only" 50-100,000. So how many of these
                        >are at the top of their events in terms of
                        >performance?

                        Probably not many..... drugs aren't enough to made a mediocre athlete good in most sports, and the most gifted kids know they will be successful without drugs, so I really doubt that may of the best high school athletes are guilty of taking anything

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                          Using that logic, wouldn't elite athlete's reasoning be the same?

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                            "Glad to see someone recognizes that it started in the 70's on a grand scale and not the 50's or 1890's like some like to argue."

                            The fact that it started in the '70s "on a grand scale" doesn't mean at all that testosterone, etc., didn't see experimenal use in the late '50s and escalate steadily through the 1960s. As for the 1890s, there's no question that stimulants were known to athletes of the period and were used at least occasionally ("legally"). The scale of the problem in recent decades is new; the concept is not.

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                              'hop' refers to an opiate that prevents the body from feeling pain.

                              a source:
                              http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/slang/slang4.shtml

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