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  • eldrick
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    Originally posted by catson52
    When you have the current top performers in many events performing at early 1970s levels, something is totally amiss. What happened to improved nutrition, training techniques, equipment, tracks?
    ignoring throws where drugs explained most, distance events have moved on - pamela at 1'54 is at least capable of high-1'53 before career end & defar/diby are capable of 3'54 now ! & kazankina's ole 8'22 standard got well 'n' truely buried when defar ran 8'58 ( convert that with standard 1.08 )

    main problem is sprints

    trouble is we do have small, puny rubbish running it - usual 5'7 - 5'9 size gals from 2 decades ago & that's why we are still only getting 10.8/21.9 ( 21.8 with big wind on fastest legal track built )

    looking at men's side, we got many 9.7s ( & some 19.6s ) when 6'3 (+) guys like safa/bolt/wally/x-man started arriving

    the big tall dudes started turning up & started destroying 9.8/19.7

    where are the 5'11/6'0 dudettes to do the same for 10.7/21.6 ?

    answer :

    not drawing on same quality of talent pool as dudes

    dudettes m i a , probably hairdressing or business managent or p a

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  • catson52
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    Originally posted by Conor Dary
    "If it turns out that people will not participate without cheating, then the sport has no business being a sport."

    Exactly. Now you get it.
    Over the last couple of days, I have discussed the Beijing Olympics with friends/relatives in Europe/Asia/Australia. There is a general lack of interest and everyone mentioned drugs and other modes of cheating. A good start may be to be reset the WRs to the year 2000 or so (suggested by gh and others I believe), and carry out rigorous and random drug testing. Women's TF in most standard (old) events are interesting, but only to the cognoscenti. When you have the current top performers in many events performing at early 1970s levels, something is totally amiss. What happened to improved nutrition, training techniques, equipment, tracks?

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  • Mennisco
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    Originally posted by Conor Dary
    "If it turns out that people will not participate without cheating, then the sport has no business being a sport."

    Exactly. Now you get it.
    Baby/bathwater, etc.

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  • Mennisco
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    "See above"

    Thanks! I rely so heavily on those quote buttons...

    :lol:

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  • Conor Dary
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    Originally posted by odelltrclan
    Originally posted by Conor Dary
    "
    I read this and got a good laugh. I think The Times' Simon Barnes is the one with the correct view on this. (See home page)
    Correct view? That is a sad statement. I think that view reflects the degredation of society. Cheating is no longer viewed by many as amoral but rather just part of life we should live with and embrace.

    The Olympics and sport in general was intended to be based on fair play.
    Drug testing is not ruining the sport, the cheaters are and those that come to tolerate them. If it turns out that people will not participate without cheating, then the sport has no business being a sport.
    see above

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  • Mennisco
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    Originally posted by Conor Dary
    "If it turns out that people will not participate without cheating, then the sport has no business being a sport."

    Exactly. Now you get it.
    http://tinyurl.com/57jyqc

    Sorry to bother you, but could please provide us with something verifiable? Or at least tell us you heard it in an interview?

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  • Conor Dary
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    "If it turns out that people will not participate without cheating, then the sport has no business being a sport."

    Exactly. Now you get it.

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  • Novitiate
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    Originally posted by gh

    Somebody get up on the wrong side of the bed today?
    Sigh.......I almost feel sorry for you guys, sometimes..



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  • Daisy
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    Originally posted by odelltrclan
    I think that view reflects the degredation of society. Cheating is no longer viewed by many as amoral but rather just part of life we should live with and embrace.
    Unfortunately this is exactly right.

    A Duke University study shows that 75 percent of students admit to cheating. 90 percent of student admit to copying someone’s paper.

    Denise Pope, adjunct professor in the School of Education at Stanford University says, "Nationally, 75 percent of all high school students cheat. But the ones who cheat more are the ones who have the most to lose, which is the honors and AP (advanced placement) students. Eighty percent of honors and AP students cheat on a regular basis." [Regan McMahan, San Francisco Gate.com, sfgate.com, September 9, 2007] Therefore, the better the student--the more likely they are cheating.
    Source
    My experiences corrolate well with the above. More often the students caught cheating would have been A students.

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  • odelltrclan
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    Originally posted by Conor Dary
    "
    I read this and got a good laugh. I think The Times' Simon Barnes is the one with the correct view on this. (See home page)
    Correct view? That is a sad statement. I think that view reflects the degredation of society. Cheating is no longer viewed by many as amoral but rather just part of life we should live with and embrace.

    The Olympics and sport in general was intended to be based on fair play.
    Drug testing is not ruining the sport, the cheaters are and those that come to tolerate them. If it turns out that people will not participate without cheating, then the sport has no business being a sport.

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  • odelltrclan
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    Originally posted by gh
    His premise sounds like it makes sense, but w/ the Gay-Powell-Bolt drama, I'm not sure the are many times when the interest has been higher!
    Among track fans you may be correct but maybe he is referring, to the Joe Blo sports fan, and, as was shown on T&FN website today, the popularity of T&F is now below swimming. Sprinting has been one of the bigger marketing items in T&F and damage to that damages the whole sport more than say walkers.

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  • gh
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    Originally posted by Novitiate
    Let them speak for themselves. I'm sick and tired of the hypocrisy that goes on around this very little place. I smelled a rat, named cacique....

    I won't wait to apologize for my language today. Ping me when you get in Ben - wait, that'd be too late!

    :lol:
    Somebody get up on the wrong side of the bed today?

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  • Conor Dary
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    "He says the importance of catching drug cheats has never been greater.

    "We must. If we do not, part of the world as we've known it for all of our lives is going to leave us," he said.

    "The public will desert any sport in time if they're not satisfied it has integrity in the way it which it operates."

    I read this and got a good laugh. I think The Times' Simon Barnes is the one with the correct view on this. (See home page)

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  • Novitiate
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    Let them speak for themselves. I'm sick and tired of the hypocrisy that goes on around this very little place. I smelled a rat, named cacique....

    I won't wait to apologize for my language today. Ping me when you get in Ben - wait, that'd be too late!

    :lol:

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  • elcaballo
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    Originally posted by Novitiate
    http://www.johann-sandra.com/popular.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sp ... ce_figures

    Here's a gem:

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_popular_i ... adyAsked=1

    I won't bother asking anyone how to find out how popular track and field is, since my efforts at digging up "interesting things" seem to be worse than unappreciated around here. Figures - you have someone who tries hard to make things a bit less drab and routine for people, then the mods send some little shithead to tell him to shut the fuck up.

    Pardon my French, Monsieurs Hall eh Hill.
    ?????

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