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    http://my.aol.com/news/news_story.psp?t ... 0001912055

    (needless to say, MLB union not big on international drug rules)

  • #2
    Re: Testing Complicating A Baseball World Cup

    A query for anyone intimately familiar with the applicable rules. The article states that Derrick Turnbow tested positive and is banned from international competition for two years. For most major leaguers, this is no biggie.

    But is there any kind of international contamination rule in place such as the IAAF or IOC were prepared to invoke in the Butch Reynolds case? If Turnbow were allowed to play MLB, would any teammates or opponents also be eligible for sanctions in the international forum?

    Within the course of a few weeks of the season, Turnbow could have the chance to contaminate everyone in the American League (and some of the National if they do any cross-over series).

    Not that I'd expect any international body to even try and enforce something like that.

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    • #3
      Re: Testing Complicating A Baseball World Cup

      >A query for anyone intimately familiar with the applicable rules. The article
      >states that Derrick Turnbow tested positive and is banned from international
      >competition for two years. For most major leaguers, this is no biggie.>

      It would be a major biggie - far beyond any suspension could offer.

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      • #4
        Re: Testing Complicating A Baseball World Cup

        That whole contamination rule is a bunch of crap. Punish athletes because of something someone else did? WTF? If they want to make a stand you suspend the sanctioning organization/corporation from holding events for a certain time period and fine them to hell and back. To punish one athlete for the sins of another is ridiculous and criminal.

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        • #5
          Re: Testing Complicating A Baseball World Cup

          It would be a major biggie - far beyond any suspension could offer.
          >

          What does that mean?

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          • #6
            Re: Testing Complicating A Baseball World Cup

            Note that Donald Fehr the head of the MLB union has been a member of the U.S.O.C. board of directors in recent years and the head of Senator McCain's Blue Ribbon panel on U.S.O.C. reform.

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            • #7
              Re: Testing Complicating A Baseball World Cup

              >
              It would be a major biggie - far beyond any suspension could
              >offer.
              >

              What does that mean?>

              Think about a positive for Barry Bonds or any other MLB star. A PR disaster much greater than T&F has or would see.

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              • #8
                Re: Testing Complicating A Baseball World Cup

                >>
                It would be a major biggie - far beyond any suspension
                >could
                >offer.
                >

                What does that mean?>

                Think about a positive for Barry
                >Bonds or any other MLB star. A PR disaster much greater than T&F has or would
                >see. >

                Since editing is not possible on this board - before the post is pulled I am not implying that Barry Bonds is using PEDs, simply that he is one of the or the best player in MLB and a positive would be disasterous for MLB and the player himself regardless of punishment.

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                • #9
                  Re: Testing Complicating A Baseball World Cup

                  Think about a positive for Barry
                  >Bonds or any other MLB star. A PR disaster much greater than T&F has or would
                  >see.

                  When I originally said that for MLB players, it was "no biggie", I was referring to them being suspended from international (ie Olympic) competition, specifically "the article states that Derrick Turnbow tested positive and is banned from international competition for two years."

                  There is no mention of Turnbow being subject to any MLB sanction, in fact, they specifically state that he will be given a clean slate.

                  How big a deal is it for Turnbow, or even Barry Bonds, to be banned from international competition yet be free and clear to play in the pro leagues?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Testing Complicating A Baseball World Cup

                    It seems pretty clearly to be no big deal at all--a slap on the wrist, at best. And as far as the "PR disaster" envisioned by the correspondent above on a positive drug test by a leading baseball player, I think not. The US public has made it pretty clear that they're not really "for" drugs in pro sports, but also that they also don't think drug use is all that horrible. Live and let live; don't ask don't tell; don't rock the boat; etc.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Testing Complicating A Baseball World Cup

                      >It seems pretty clearly to be no big deal at all--a slap on the wrist, at best.
                      >And as far as the "PR disaster" envisioned by the correspondent above on a
                      >positive drug test by a leading baseball player, I think not. The US public
                      >has made it pretty clear that they're not really "for" drugs in pro sports,
                      >but also that they also don't think drug use is all that horrible. Live and
                      >let live; don't ask don't tell; don't rock the boat; etc.>

                      I think your thinking is misguided. Just look at Track and Field. The media right now is completely focused on the drug issue in the sport. Review Marion Jones press conferences the past few days and she hasn't tested positive for anything.

                      Imagine what it would be like if in baseball, much like Track and Field, a statistics driven sport, a player such as Bonds or Giambi or Sosa or Arod turned up positive. Considering that MLB is a much more popular sport than Track and Field the media would go completely apeshit with the story. It would not be pretty for the player involved or the game.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Testing Complicating A Baseball World Cup

                        Review Marion
                        >Jones press conferences the past few days and she hasn't tested positive for
                        >anything.

                        I think she's tested positive in the media for guilt by association (CJ Hunter) and poor judgement (hiring Francis as a coach).

                        Imagine what it would be like if in baseball, much like Track
                        >and Field, a statistics driven sport, a player such as Bonds or Giambi or Sosa
                        >or Arod turned up positive. Considering that MLB is a much more popular sport
                        >than Track and Field the media would go completely apeshit with the story. It
                        >would not be pretty for the player involved or the game.

                        How much apeshit was there for Steve Howe?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Testing Complicating A Baseball World Cup

                          >Review Marion
                          >Jones press conferences the past few days and she hasn't
                          >tested positive for
                          >anything.

                          I think she's tested positive in the media
                          >for guilt by association (CJ Hunter) and poor judgement (hiring Francis as a
                          >coach).

                          Imagine what it would be like if in baseball, much like Track
                          >and
                          >Field, a statistics driven sport, a player such as Bonds or Giambi or
                          >Sosa
                          >or Arod turned up positive. Considering that MLB is a much more popular
                          >sport
                          >than Track and Field the media would go completely apeshit with the
                          >story. It
                          >would not be pretty for the player involved or the game.

                          How
                          >much apeshit was there for Steve Howe?>

                          You're comparing Steve Howe's rec drug use to PED's?

                          There is no comparison to what the reaction would be. None whatsoever.

                          Steve S.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Testing Complicating A Baseball World Cup

                            You're
                            >comparing Steve Howe's rec drug use to PED's?

                            There is no comparison to what
                            >the reaction would be. None whatsoever.

                            Steve S.

                            You're right. There would be even less if a big guy got busted for PEDs. That is because of 2 things. Joe Public likely already believe some of these guys are on drugs and they don't care.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Testing Complicating A Baseball World Cup

                              >

                              You're right. There would be even less if a big guy got busted for PEDs.
                              >That is because of 2 things. Joe Public likely already believe some of these
                              >guys are on drugs and they don't care.>

                              It would be the only thing you hear about, sportswise, for weeks.

                              You can say that MLB has a poor drug enforcement program but that has nothing whatsoever to how the media will react to it. In all likelihood the fact that MLB has a poor system of control will only add fuel to the fire within the media.

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