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  • #16
    Thanks Jon for clearing up my rather ambiguous post; I apologise for being unclear. I was indeed agreeing with Powell's post initially with 'exactly', and then went on to a separate post regarding the Hammer throw. My fault.


    If Rineanna can magically tell who IS or ISN'T clean without any scientific proof, doesn't that make him/her more likely to be the witch?????

    Just sayin...
    Please point out who exactly I accused of taking drugs aside from Lysenko who's serving a drugs ban.

    And as for telling who IS clean, I don't know about you, but I can pretty much only assume everyone who hasn't been busted is clean; I have no proof of anything otherwise, and contrary to popular belief, I'm not going to start shouting off about people who I think are dirty.

    You really think a Belorussian is clean? After Tiskan and the other one go down in Beijing? Hrasnova has previously served a 2 year ban. Think she's learned the error of her ways? They usually do, right?
    Until the IAAF/WADA tell me otherwise, she's clean.

    Secondly, I never knew Hrasnova served a ban previously. That puts a whole new light on her. Go Heidler and Moreno so!

    Plus, just to clear things up, Rineanna's a he!

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    • #17
      As long as we are recklessly indulging our darkest suspicions with no empirical knowledge, why stop here? Much as I hate to say it, and as un-PC as it may be, I'd throw in all the jumps WRs as well.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by jhc68
        I'd throw in all the jumps WRs as well.
        You've just openly accused Isinbayeva of taking PEDs. This thread is over.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by jhc68
          Much as I hate to say it, and as un-PC as it may be, I'd throw in all the jumps WRs as well.
          Why stop there? You heard it here first - all WRs! :twisted:

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          • #20
            Originally posted by bad hammy
            Originally posted by jhc68
            Much as I hate to say it, and as un-PC as it may be, I'd throw in all the jumps WRs as well.
            Why stop there? You heard it here first - all WRs! :twisted:
            Which is the pointlessness of such accusations and Paula R is the prime example of why. Her WR is looking more and more outlierish, and Jon will defend her to the death.

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            • #21
              SP - distances are generally more than two metres down on the WR these days, and even then only one woman regularly comes close to that

              DT - Beijing and Osaka winning distances speak for themselves. I'm not sure that I recall when 70m last being broken, never mind about approaching nearly 77m.

              HT - Lysenko and her pals regularly provide positive tests

              JT - Petra Felke was almost certainly part of the state sponsored regime. Whitbread apart, no else came within 5m of her WR.

              If she is clean, Spotakova would be a welcome relief in the modern age where female throwers - at least those that achieve long distances - have either failed tests or understandably attract mass suspicion.

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              • #22
                Isn't it strange that people are so suspicious of women athletes, especially with those competing in Eastern Europe & China, (and with good reason, I hasten to add), but don't give a seconds thought to all the men's middle and distance events (1k - 3k, as well as numerous, almost yearly smashing of the record at 5 & 10k) that were set in the mid-late '90's, when there was a product that existed which not only would improve their performance markedly, but also was undetectable until 2002!?
                There was always the danger that some of the women from previous eras could get caught for steroid abuse when competing outside their home country, but no such deterrent existed for men in the late 90's. They knew they would get away with it. Lol.

                Not sure if that makes people sexist, anti-communist or slightly racist! :?

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                • #23
                  ALL (!) WRs COULD be suspicious, but saying that Athlete X IS dirty is simply not fair to anyone.

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                  • #24
                    Completely agree, Marlow

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                    • #25
                      I see where this thread is heading.

                      .....(but my input is...there really are records out there that really are.....questionable when one looks at the situations surrounding them, but until there is a ruling form some authority Matt and Marlow have all rights to say what they say and those of us who would really want to be realists will just have to keep our cool and await the day of truth)

                      Moderator watch this one its gonna be of those threads....

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Marlow
                        Originally posted by jhc68
                        I'd throw in all the jumps WRs as well.
                        You've just openly accused Isinbayeva of taking PEDs. This thread is over.
                        How about all those 24 foot LJ's ?! Kind of funny that the world's best can barely get over 23 these days. Hmmmm, I wonder why ???

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by dukehjsteve
                          I wonder why ???
                          The point I have been trying to make is that every and any WR can be called into question, but I still believe in 'innocent until proven guilty', because I have been falsely accused of things in my life and I know how UNFAIR it is. When Marion was accused of PEDs, everyone here thought I was defending HER, but I was merely defending the above dictum. I have a very realistic idea of how high the %age of PED usage has been in the last 50 years, but I won't accuse someone without PROOF.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by deanouk
                            Isn't it strange that people are so suspicious of women athletes, especially with those competing in Eastern Europe & China, (and with good reason, I hasten to add), but don't give a seconds thought to all the men's middle and distance events (1k - 3k, as well as numerous, almost yearly smashing of the record at 5 & 10k) that were set in the mid-late '90's, when there was a product that existed which not only would improve their performance markedly, but also was undetectable until 2002!?
                            the only problem with that "theory" is that the 800wr was set in '97, 1.5kwr in '97 & 3kwr in '96

                            that leaves 5 - 6y of "still undetectable" on testing but no improvement in wrs ???

                            also no improvement in 5k/10k wrs between '98 & '04 ???

                            There was always the danger that some of the women from previous eras could get caught for steroid abuse when competing outside their home country, but no such deterrent existed for men in the late 90's. They knew they would get away with it.
                            ???

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