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    antoineg
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  • antoineg
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    >Hardly, Pollyanna. The results show that the "survey" is bogus.

    Explain it to me: just because you don't think it's a reasonable result makes it bullshit? What EXACTLY are the problems with the survey, other than the fact that the result doesn't mesh with what you think is accurate?

    Sheesh.

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  • malmo
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  • malmo
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    >You calling it
    >BULLSHIT before you even see the raw data makes apparent your underlying
    >worldview.

    Hardly, Pollyanna. The results show that the "survey" is bogus.

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  • antoineg
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  • antoineg
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    >This is one survey that
    >should be called for what it is - BULLSHIT. The onus is on the author to
    >provide the raw data on this one.

    You calling it BULLSHIT before you even see the raw data makes apparent your underlying worldview.

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  • EPelle
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  • EPelle
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    “In the future, with technology, people could create something which is undetectable, maybe have some shoes which are unfair to the competition – we can’t stop that.”

    I know he is using this as an example. However, can you imagine a known shoe-maker putting their name and rep on the line with a shoe unfit for regular competition?

    Quote: Kim Collins (Scottsman.com - link: http://sport.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3251534 "Cheating is Natural").

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  • malmo
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  • malmo
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    Malmo and RMc Tell me why you believe this is BS?
    Ok I
    >know it's hard to believe that 195 out of 198 would answer the same either way.
    >But do you really belive that the larger majority would actually say no? I
    >don't

    Easy, you couldn't get 195 out of 198 people who say Mother Theresa was a good person.

    By my personal contacts with world class athletes you would get three out first ten who'd say no, even if the penalty of death was taken out of the hypothetical survey.

    This is one survey that should be called for what it is - BULLSHIT. The onus is on the author to provide the raw data on this one.

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  • marknhj
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  • marknhj
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    I think when we get into the drug question there is a big gap between
    >those of us who have been there, and those who haven't, and those who have get
    >frustrated with those who haven't who think it's not as bad we say we know it
    >is.
    >>>>

    Agreed. It is much worse than most think.

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  • skyin' brian
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  • skyin' brian
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    im sure that it isnt that easy to get a random sample of world class athletes...
    im sure that a smaller percentage of the general public would cheat given the opportunity, but something about athletics seems for some people to grow to be the most important thing in the world.

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  • The Fern
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  • The Fern
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    <The fact that 195 out of 198 athletes said yes is the evidence that the
    >"survey" was bullshit.>

    <Right on. Said much more eloquently and succintly that I.>

    Malmo and RMc Tell me why you believe this is BS?
    Ok I know it's hard to believe that 195 out of 198 would answer the same either way. But do you really belive that the larger majority would actually say no? I don't

    I think when we get into the drug question there is a big gap between those of us who have been there, and those who haven't, and those who have get frustrated with those who haven't who think it's not as bad we say we know it is.

    I hope you get that. It's the only way it would come out.

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  • basehead617
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  • basehead617
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    p.s. thinking this thread referred to michelle collins, i thought it would be much funnier.

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  • antoineg
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  • antoineg
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    >The fact that 195 out of 198 athletes said yes is the evidence that the
    >"survey" was bullshit.

    And the reason it's bullshit is: what? That you don't want to believe that athletes would take drugs if they knew they wouldn't get caught?

    Just because it disturbs your worldview doesn't make it bullshit. Point us to methodlogy problems or something, but leave your self out of it.

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  • RMc
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  • RMc
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    >The fact that 195 out of 198 athletes said yes is the evidence that the
    >"survey" was bullshit.

    Right on. Said much more eloquently and succintly that I.

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  • MJD
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  • MJD
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    Maybe this is the cause of the misunderstanding if that is what it is:

    ""We are people - we cheat in everything we do. We cheat in taxes, in tests, in relationships. We always feel we could never get caught, so we cheat.""

    http://sport.scotsman.com/athletics.cfm?id=853732004

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  • RedPete
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  • RedPete
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    The Money makes it all possible.

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  • malmo
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  • malmo
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    The fact that 195 out of 198 athletes said yes is the evidence that the "survey" was bullshit.

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  • ycn
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  • ycn
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    Link to Collins' response.

    http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/2004/05/06/collins.htm

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