marita koch 47.60 - doping proof?

[tamillerx2]

Re: marita koch 47.60 - doping proof?

For anyone who says "who cares who's taking drugs and just sit back and enjoy the hype" - you obviously have never been an athlete competing with these cheating people before! It's sad that some well-deserving that worked very hard will never achieve their Olympic dreams because the sport is so plagued by drugs. The fact is, some of those records and medals would belong probably to an entirely different population. Just because "everybody" is on drugs doesn't make it right. There are clean Track & Field athletes that just didn't get the fame/fortune they deserved because of the druggies.

[theman]

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I agree with you about that, more ahtletes should be honest about there use of drugs, either that or they should quit acting like none of them do it.

[lefterisp]

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>I belive and this is just my opinion that the majority of Track athletes are on
>drugs!!!!! or have taken drugs, theres no getting around that one. SO like
>someone else posted eailer let them play. just enjoy it for what it is....

It's one thing to be on drugs and another thing to lie about it. I personally can't enjoy anything that is based on hypocricy and lies (from politics to sports, from history to religion etc...).

[theman]

Re: marita koch 47.60 - doping proof?

I belive and this is just my opinion that the majority of Track athletes are on drugs!!!!! or have taken drugs, theres no getting around that one. SO like someone else posted eailer let them play. just enjoy it for what it is, no matter how many people come on hear and try and give this Hero bullshit story about how cheaters need to go to hell and so on, bla bla bla, Some of you act like the steriods are the only cause for success. If thats the case I guess I should go take some steriods and then I can become an olympic champion. Not the case, some of you people need to get off of this hollyer then thou bull shit and shut up!! just sit back and enjoy it.

[basehead617]

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i actually posted a marita koch 47.60 thread with a url to the video of the race, in the Historical forum, and for some reason i followed up with this thread in this forum. i meant this one to be a reference to the other (in case you were wondering about my out of the blue wording) - there's some more 'speculation' in that thread and me asking for proof, but i guess i found it myself.

[Pego]

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I graduated from a medical school in former Czechoslovakia in 1956. To my best knowledge, anabolic steroids were not yet available in those parts at that time (at least not for medical use). I kind of doubt Kuts used them.

[kuha]

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For what it's worth, speculating that someone like Kuts MAY have been taking some sort of drugs in the mid-1950s hardly constitutes slander, since no drugs were ILLEGAL at that time. IF Kuts (or others) were doing any such thing, they were doing so LEGALLY. Further, given the history of drug production and experimentation, it's entirely possible for athletes to have been using now-banned substances in the mid-1950s.

[Sprint Stat Man]

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>And, of course, he died young. Was he a Russian "
>experiment" ? Quite possible.

Or, alternatively, he died as a result of his alcoholism, like a significant chunk of his fellow countrymen of similar age.

I suggest that ill-founded, ignorant speculation about who might have been on drugs causes greater harm to the sport than actual drug-taking. Documented proof (either test or through Stasi-style records) are one thing, ignorant gossip quite another.

[FrankS]

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Who cares! Well, I care! It really annoys me to think that if we ttook out the drug enhanced performances we would be left with a very different ahletic history. Also rans would suddenly be found to be great medal winning athletes. A point in case is Gordon Pirie. I remember reading somewhere that Pirie was very suspicious of Kuts' 1956 Olympic form. Pirie said at the end of the one of the races, Kuts had a glazed look in his eyes that Pirie had never seen in an athletes eyes. Sour grapes? Maybe not. Kuts was an Eastern European athlete. He had a strange and very short career - And as full-time athlete ( in theory serving in the army ), there was no reason why he shouldn't have had a long career i.e. like Zatopek. And, of course, he died young. Was he a Russian " experiment" ? Quite possible. And therefore, was Pirie a far greater athlete than he has been credit for?

[Brutal]

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Who really cares to be blunt? Enjoy the action and have fun with it, it's not a matter of life or death. If they are "all" cheating then it's "all" relative then isn't it? Who cares?

I guarantee that somebody is on some drug in every NFL gamed played.Do I sit there..."is he?"..."are they?"......heck no!

Enjoy the action!

[basehead617]

(edit: with some google searching i found some quite old threads here related to Koch's letters to coaches involving wanting better drugs, etc. so perhaps this link was already pasted around.. sorry, if so.. still interesting!)

of course the race is still amazing, but after some digging i found proof of koch's doping, or at least reference to the document. true, it's not the same year, but you can extrapolate from there i'm sure. plus who knows what other years it mentions. here's an excerpt:

The quantity of drugs fed to women was extraordinary. The doping protocols of 1,000 athletes survive. Shot putter Ines Mueller, for instance, received a total of 3,680mg of Oral-Turinabol in the year 1981. That is more than twice the highest annual consumption of the most notorious drug cheat in modern history, Ben Johnson. Mueller was an athlete based at the sports club SC Rostock. Dr Arbeit was throwing coach of SC Rostock from 1974-1981.

Other athletes under his care were Marita Koch, the five times Olympic sprint champion (970mg in 1981), Silke Gladisch, the double sprint champion of the Rome World Championships in 1987 (400mg), Kerstin Dedner (later Brandt) a 1983 high jump finalist at the World Championships who was given 465mg in 1978 when still under the age of 18. In total a dozen world record breakers and East Germany's four throwing gold medallists at the Seoul Olympics are exposed as drug cheats. And we were encouraged to think Ben Johnson was the lone cheat at that event.


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whole article at:

http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mai ... mott03.xml