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  • Asterix
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    <<can someone point me to a link to a transcript (not just a hearsay report) where marion jones said she did not have a relationship with charlie francis>>

    Not quite exactly what you are looking for, but more digging could probably find that. From http://www.active.com/story.cfm?story_id=9611

    "The saga began in December when Jones and Montgomery fired their coach, Trevor Graham. They later said they'd be working with unknown Canadian Derek Hansen.

    After Wells denied reports the sprinters were in Toronto working with Francis, photos were taken of Francis working with the athletes at an indoor facility in Toronto.

    L'Equipe, the French sports daily, staked out the facility and reported the couple trained with Francis three times in a week."

    And from http://www.cso.on.ca/Slam021214/tra_tor-sun.html

    "In explaining her choice of Hansen, who has a masters degree in applied science from McGill University in Montreal, and works out of Vancouver, Jones said: "As an elite athlete, I have a need for special biomechanical analysis that can assist me in the identificiation of certain fundamental technical deficiencies, the correction of which may be required from time to time to improve my performances." "

    (Which doesn't explicitly say she is/isn't being coached by Francis, but doesn't acknowledge it.)

    And lastly, somewhat related, from http://www.canoe.ca/Slam030206/oth_trk-cp.html

    "Jones told the Times she underestimated the reaction to hiring Francis because she was only 12 in 1988 when Johnson was stripped of his gold medal after testing positive for performance-enhancing substances. "

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  • mrbowie
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    One aspect of this situation that does seem to rankle me is that Marion is now trying to rely on her personality to convince people of her "clean" status. Reminds me of some of the juvenile delinquents I used to work with as a probation counselor. She has had so much success getting what she wants and out of pickles because of her smile, she now thinks it is going work on this situation. Could be barking up the wrong tree.

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  • basehead617
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    i dont doubt it at all, but can someone point me to a link to a transcript (not just a hearsay report) where marion jones said she did not have a relationship with charlie francis? and, was it in a context where she should really be honest, or was it harassing by reporters? its not really anyone's business who she has seen for training advice, i guess..

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  • Mel
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    "I have to much respect for your athletic background malmo. You are correct."

    International House of Waffles.

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  • RMc
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    >I have to much respect for your athletic background malmo. You are correct.

    Whoa, I can't believe that I'm going to malmo's aid here, but his point is directly valid--her statements indicated that she was trying to mislead the press and public about her relationship with Francis. Of course, we can only infer what she was thinking, but we also cannot take what she claims she was thinking at face value because her incentives were to be non truthful on this point. Unfortunately, this past set of statements undermines her current credibility. And my athletic background credentials pale in comparison to malmo's...

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  • doping avocate
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    I have to much respect for your athletic background malmo. You are correct.

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  • malmo
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    A lot of things are possible. Bats might fly out of my ass.

    Marion Jones lied when she denied that she was working with Charlie Francis, then finally admitted it when confronted with the evidence. Does that sound like like someone who didn't know Charlie Francis' background?

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  • doping avocate
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    Love may be blind but she comes
    >across as too articulate to get away with saying "I never heard of Francis and
    >what he did because I was too young." That, of course, is nonsense.


    For us to believe you have "mind reading" abilities is as best nonsense. It is closer to pure hate. You have no way of knowing what Marion has knowledge of . Your point by point responses detailing why you are never wrong won't wash here. You are wrong , I am not. You don't know what Marion is thinking.

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  • basehead617
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    Love may be blind but she comes
    >across as too articulate to get away with saying "I never heard of Francis and
    >what he did because I was too young." That, of course, is nonsense.


    I'm tempted to agree of course, but I guess it's POSSIBLE that she heard he was great, without the Ben Johnson attachment (since that doesn't fully describe him... he wasnt 'ben johnson's dirty doctor', he was/is a well known speed coach who has written a very popular and famous coaching manual that has nothing to do with steroids) -- then im sure people warned her, that's the guy that coached Ben Johnson, etc.. - and she made a decision it would be worth it to test the waters to get his expertise. She may have not known inparticular that Francis *gave* the steroids to Johnson and other athletes, just that he was the coach.

    just a possibility.

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  • Asterix
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    <<"how big a load is it and how far will it fly?"

    Asterix should give us the lowdown, speed of rotation of blades, size, mass, and shape of blades, material blades are made from (plastic or iron?), how much merde, horse or person? Velocity of merde upon hitting fan?>>

    Well, there are still a few unknown from the variables that will affect the final equation.

    The longer it takes before the merde makes contact with the blades (actual doping charge or notification thereof), the faster those blades will be spinning.

    Size, mass, shape and material of the blades is also to be determined. Will it be USADA blades or will they not be able to complete their process in time for the Olympics and the IAAF blades will be substituted (as I believe some official suit stated)?

    I think it is fairly safe to say though that using iron blades in any kind of fan would just be stupid due to their extreme weight (that might be what was used in the shamateurism days of the blazer brigade). Many other materials are as strong or stronger with only a fraction of the weight (and keep in mind the ever increasing speed of those spinning blades).

    Similarly, as time passes and the pile at the bottom of the outhouse increases in size, so too does the quantity of merde that will be eventually hitting the fan.

    And although horse merde is much more palatable due to their simple vegetarian diet, I'd really be wondering what was being input to Marion's body should that be the type of output. Human merde, far smellier and toxic, will more likely be the substance being sent towards the fan.

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  • MJD
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    Once I found out what my
    >ex-husband did, or was alleged to have done, I parted ways. Once I really
    >realized the amount of negative energy, the stuff that Mr. Francis had done in
    >the past

    Love may be blind but she comes across as too articulate to get away with saying "I never heard of Francis and what he did because I was too young." That, of course, is nonsense.

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  • Bob R
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    Here is how Jones responded when asked a similar question in Ostrava last week:


    Q: So, having said that, do you think you've made any mistakes with the company you keep?

    MJ: Yes, I think that I have admitted in the past that I've made decisions that I've quickly corrected. Once I found out what my ex-husband did, or was alleged to have done, I parted ways. Once I really realized the amount of negative energy, the stuff that Mr. Francis had done in the past --even though I've already said that I wouldn't change having gone to him-- I parted ways with him. When I found out some things about [former coach] Mr. Trevor Graham, I parted ways with him. And so, yes, my decision-making in the past about certain people was a little suspect, and I was young and made decisions that I've since corrected. But I'm at a point in my career where I don't put a lot of substance into what people on the outside --who really don't know me-- say, or what they think. If that was the case, I'd live a very frustrating life. But really, what people on the outside think, judgments that they come about by reading whatever they read in the press, doesn't make much difference to me. If it did, if every single time something negative was said about me, I'd run in a cave and hide. But I don't really put much substance into what the outside people think. And the people who have seen my career flourish over the years, who have seen me get progressively better and better, know that from the time that I was seven --when I started -- to now, that my times have been extremely progressive and nothing out of the ordinary.

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  • Friar
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    "She has been surrounded either by known drug users in the case of C.J. or suspected and, in fact, even accused in the case of Tim, and she was seeking out the advice and coaching of Charlie Francis," Pound said. "There's an awful lot of history there. You've got to be very careful leaping to guilt by association, but there's an awful lot of smoke there"
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... Jun15.html

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  • doping avocate
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    Thank you for removing the savage ycn attacks towards Marion Jones.

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  • ycn
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    Oh, and mel - thank you for your kind words about my post, even though it's been deleted.

    I know that your heart is in the right place, and I pray to God mine is too.

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