26'3"/8.00m long jumping before 1960

[Powell]

I'm now getting a memory of Seoul, in which there was a mark (perhaps Flojo semifinal in the 100) where the printed sums came out showing her 10.70w as an OR, and Bob Hersh raised a big enough stink w/ the Technical Delegates (pointing out that they were setting themselves up for a situation where she might set an Olympic Record that was disallowed as a World Record), that they agreed that wind rules should apply.

I would have said that that took place in Barcelona, not Seoul. However, looking at the results of all of the sprints and hurdles in those two Olympics, I realized you were correct in every detail.

Definitely not in every detail. Flo Jo's 10.70w could not have been announced as an OR, since she had already run run a wind-legal 10.62 in the quarterfinals. Perhaps gh meant her 10.54w in the final?

[dadme]

To KDFINE, thanks for replying

[KDFINE]

To DADME. I wasn't ignoring you. I just didn't read this post again until after Anderson provided the answer that Bell's 8.09 was legal. Beside's I'd surmised on this forum that windy jumps were only provided where they exceeded an athlete's best legal jump. Since Bell had two legal 8.10s his 8.09 had to have been reported as legal. (This of course ignores that subsequently others have reported that Owens' Olympic victory actually was wind aided.)

[Per Andersen]

I'm still waiting for an answer KDFINE. You have the list.
Is the 8.09 you mentioned windy or legal and on which day in OCT 56 did it occur. Have we missed any windy performances prior to 1960.

Greg Bell's 8.09 (26' 6 1/2") from 1956 was legal and was the longest jump in the world that year.
Bell did it at one of the US pre olympic meets on Oct 20 in Ontario, Calif.
(Leamon King ran one of his 10.1s during the same meet)

[dadme]

I'm still waiting for an answer KDFINE. You have the list.
Is the 8.09 you mentioned windy or legal and on which day in OCT 56 did it occur. Have we missed any windy performances prior to 1960.

[dadme]

KDFINE, you have added to the list but was it legal or wind assisted, the 8.09
of Greg Bell. Does that 65 ATFS alltime list show anymore wa jumps at 8.00 or longer ?

[bambam]

The current IOC Olympic record lists definitely consider wind a factor. I provided those lists for them (for all sports that can have records actually - including rowing and canoeing, which really only have bests), but they are based on work done originally by Richard Hymans (athletics only). However, they've been edited quite a bit and checked by Richard back in the late 80s and early 90s. We list all of the 1936 long jump marks as windy as described above by Garry.

[Bob H]

Indeed, I'm now getting a memory of Seoul, in which there was a mark (perhaps Flojo semifinal in the 100) where the printed sums came out showing her 10.70w as an OR, and Bob Hersh raised a big enough stink w/ the Technical Delegates (pointing out that they were setting themselves up for a situation where she might set an Olympic Record that was disallowed as a World Record), that they agreed that wind rules should apply. But this last is a vague memory.

Memories are interesting, aren't they? In my mind's eye, I can remember the room where that discussion took place, and even the position of the desk of the gentleman that I was talking to. But I would have said that that took place in Barcelona, not Seoul. However, looking at the results of all of the sprints and hurdles in those two Olympics, I realized you were correct in every detail.

[eldrick]

what is a 26+ ft long jump with no wind no altitude no sci-fi suppliments and with the ancient benefits of a cinder runway. someone do the math.

about 14" at best, transported from '60 to '07

[dakota]

I seem to remember Carl Lewis's 9.80w being touted as a World Championship record too but this idea seemed to get quietly dropped. If you watch the videos of his 9.86 win in Tokyo the onscreen graphics show WR 9.90 but CR 9.80 and so having the timer flash New WR when there's clearly something better already advertised right there on the screen probably made the whole thing look a bit goofy to anybody not in the loop about wind readings.

[gh]

As printed in multiple reference sources, the official Olympic report never gave individual wind readings (this was a first-time thing, one must realize), but said all LJ illegal, with wind 3.5-3.7 (pretty tight range) behind the jumpers. German federation did not ratify Long's mark as an NR.

As for Boston "breaking the Olympic Record," I believe at one time the IOC (just as the Commonwealth people did for years--maybe still do?) didn't take wind into account when it came to ORs.

Indeed, I'm now getting a memory of Seoul, in which there was a mark (perhaps Flojo semifinal in the 100) where the printed sums came out showing her 10.70w as an OR, and Bob Hersh raised a big enough stink w/ the Technical Delegates (pointing out that they were setting themselves up for a situation where she might set an Olympic Record that was disallowed as a World Record), that they agreed that wind rules should apply. But this last is a vague memory.

[pela2]

Bell also had an 8.09 in Ontario, California in Oct., 1956. DADME posted that Owens' 8.06 in Berlin was wind aided. The A.T.F.S. Worle List of '65 lists it as legal. I thought it was legal. When Boston broke the Olympic Record in '60 it was Owen's record that he broke. If wind aided, it wouldn't have been the record.

There is obviously confusion here. I have always thought that the final was wind- aided with winds about 3.5 m/s. The Germans never accepted Long's 7.87 as a national record.
Maybe dj or somebody else can set us straight here.

The official report has this series for Owens

7.74 7.87 7.75 - 7.941 8.06

The 7.74, 7.87 and 8.06 was new Olympic records, but the 8.06 was also marked as "Performances could not be recognized at Olympic records because of too strong back wind" (Long's 7.87 was also wind-aided)

[Per Andersen]

Bell also had an 8.09 in Ontario, California in Oct., 1956. DADME posted that Owens' 8.06 in Berlin was wind aided. The A.T.F.S. Worle List of '65 lists it as legal. I thought it was legal. When Boston broke the Olympic Record in '60 it was Owen's record that he broke. If wind aided, it wouldn't have been the record.

There is obviously confusion here. I have always thought that the final was wind- aided with winds about 3.5 m/s. The Germans never accepted Long's 7.87 as a national record.
Maybe dj or somebody else can set us straight here.

[KDFINE]

Bell also had an 8.09 in Ontario, California in Oct., 1956. DADME posted that Owens' 8.06 in Berlin was wind aided. The A.T.F.S. Worle List of '65 lists it as legal. I thought it was legal. When Boston broke the Olympic Record in '60 it was Owen's record that he broke. If wind aided, it wouldn't have been the record.

[gh]

It was in Lafayette, Indiana.

To be more precise, it surely was WEST Lafayette, at Purdue, and most assuredly at the Big 10 Championships, based on that late-May date.

West Lafayette sounds right, but the 1958 ATFS Annual lists it as Lafayette (they could be wrong). The meet was the Indiana Intercollegiates, not the Big 10.

Unless Purdue has moved its track since then (there is evidence of Purdue-based structures on both sides of the river), I'd guess it was probably West Lafayette also.