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    ...in each event. Owens' LJ is well rehearsed ... and Beamon's as well. But all events in one place with yr/mo (total time) and marks should be ... Maybe this is already in one place. Can't imagine T&FN not having it somewhere.

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    Interesting stats here: I looked up two see how many performances older than 20 yrs were still on the top 10 list in their event. Here is what I've found:

    Bob Beamon 1968 LJ # 2
    Lee Evans 1968 400 # 5
    Tommie Smith 1968 200 # 8
    Brian Oldfield 1975 Shot # 4
    Joao Oliveira 1975 TJ # 7
    Pietro Mennea 1979 200 # 3
    Seb Coe 1981 800 # 2
    Ben Pucket 1981 Discus # 3
    Renaldo Nehemiah 1981 110H # 4
    Seb Coe 1981 Mile # 9
    Greg Foster 1981 110H # 10
    Harold Schmid 1982 400H # 9

    1968, 1975 and 1981 were evidently good years for performances.

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      >Interesting stats here: I looked up two see how
      many performances older than 20 yrs were still on
      the top 10 list in their event. Here is what
      I've found:<

      I'm not going to re-print what you found, because you obviously looked in the wrong place. What you apparently found was a list of performers, not performances. Thus you omitted Edwin Moses, who has four of the top 10 performances in the 400m hurdles. His best performance was just under 20 years ago, but three others in the top ten were over 20 years. There are mistakes in the other direction, too. For instance, you show Coe as having the 9th best mile performance. In fact, his best is only the 20th best of all-time. El Guerrouj has 7 of the top 10 performances.

      There is enough confusion out there regarding track statistics. We don't need to add to it.

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      • #4
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        You are correct, I mis-stated the listing. It was performers not performances. Still is an interesting list of great performers who have stood the test of time in there events.

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          Show me some great non-altitude aided marks in '68 before I consider it a great year!!

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            Mennea's and Oliveira's performances are also from Mexico City.

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              Mennea's 200 WR not only took place in Mexico City's altitude, but he also had a favorable wind that was near the maximum legal limit. As Garry Hill pointed out in a previous thread, a Professor Mureika from the Claremont Colleges in California has a website devoted to adjusting times for altitude and wind, and listing the "corrected" world records. When the adjustments are applied, Mennea's 19.72 becomes a 20.02. The introductory page for the website is:

              http://desert.jsd.claremont.edu/~newt/track/

              If you scroll down and jump around, you'll find a lot of interesting things.

              If you just want to go directly to the corrected 200m list, click on:

              http://desert.jsd.claremont.edu/~newt/t ... /m200.html

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                According to Professor Mureika, here are the 10 fastest 200 meter performances:

                1. MJ 19.38 (19.32) 1996
                2. MJ 19.71 (20.01) 1991
                3. Marsh 19.73 (19.73) 1992
                4. Fredericks 19.74 (19.68) 1996
                5. Lewis 19.75 (19.83) 1984
                6. MJ 19.79 (19.66) 1996
                7. Fredericks 19.79 (19.87) 1999
                8. MJ 19.80 (20.06) 1991
                9. MJ 19.82 (19.77) 1996
                10. Several tied at 19.83

                Notice, I said fastest. Greatest would include performances from different eras, surfaces, etc.

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                  What's the longest a NR has stood?

                  I remember hearing that Patrick O'Connor's Irish LJ record stood for about 90 years or so. (Yeah, there was no Irish Free State in 1901, so don't give me crap about a NR must be from an independent nation . . .)

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                    Re: longest standing WR span ...

                    The longest American collegiate record by school was University of Vermont's long jump, set by Albert Gutterson in 1908. I say "was" because the Vermont men's team just got canned . . . another old record would be Harvard's long jump, which is from 1921 (Ned Gourdin).

                    as for the original question, go here:

                    http://www.apulanta.fi/matti/yu/

                    oldest men's record is Jesse Owens, 9211 days
                    women's is the current 800 record, 7300 days

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                      Re: longest standing WR span ...

                      >What's the longest a NR has stood?

                      I remember hearing that Patrick
                      >O'Connor's Irish LJ record stood for about 90 years or so. (Yeah, there was no
                      >Irish Free State in 1901, so don't give me crap about a NR must be from an
                      >independent nation . . .)

                      Yeah you're right about O'Connor's LJ Irish National Record. It stood at 7.61m, from 1901 to 1991, when it was finally broken by Mark Forsythe (who took it to a final record of 8.14m)

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                        Jesse Owens still hold the Big Ten meet record in the long jump from his Day-of-Days in 1935.

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                          >>Yeah you're right about O'Connor's LJ
                          >Irish National Record. It stood at 7.61m, from 1901 to 1991, when it was
                          >finally broken by Mark Forsythe (who took it to a final record of 8.14m)

                          Incorrect on two counts.

                          1. Carlos O'Connell jumped 7.63m in 1990 to break the record first.

                          2. Mark Forsythe, born in Northern Ireland, never represented Ireland. He only represented the UK. He was, and still remains, ineligible for Irish record setting purposes. (He still has the best performance of athletes born on the island of Ireland).

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                            Re: longest standing WR span ...

                            >>>Yeah you're right about O'Connor's LJ
                            >Irish National Record. It stood at
                            >7.61m, from 1901 to 1991, when it was
                            >finally broken by Mark Forsythe (who
                            >took it to a final record of 8.14m)

                            Incorrect on two counts.

                            1. Carlos
                            >O'Connell jumped 7.63m in 1990 to break the record first.

                            2. Mark Forsythe,
                            >born in Northern Ireland, never represented Ireland. He only represented the
                            >UK. He was, and still remains, ineligible for Irish record setting purposes.
                            >(He still has the best performance of athletes born on the island of
                            >Ireland).

                            Thanks for the info. I was a bit sketchy on that issue, I should have made that plain before I posted my thoughts.

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                              My pleasure. I didn't mean it to sound as snappy as it looks, your Highness. :-)

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