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  • #16
    Re: Jackie Robinson And Wilt Chamberlain

    DF wrote: "And what was Wilt's best high jump at Kansas? Could he have qualified for Melbourne 56 or Rome 60?"

    GHill replied: "For Wilt's (non)talent in high juming, do a search on this forum and read other recent threads that have already dealt with it in exhausting depth.

    Comments: I agree with Gary but have a question for all you TAFNuts. What other basketball All American jumped 6'10" in 1956 and probably would have made the team in track if he had wanted to and hadn't already made it in basketball? Hint: He helped his college team win 2 NCAA and his pro team win 9 NBA championships?

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    • #17
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      NO ONE wrote: "... Bobby Bonds (25-3 in '64) has an older brother - Robert, who was the Cal State high & low (180y) hurdle champion in 1960 ... 13.9/18.8. I seem to recall that there was another brother named 'Bob' (so what about 'Bob'?) - go figure. If there had been girls high school track in the 60s - Rosie would have terrorized.

      My family lived around the corner from the Bonds family in Riverside in the late 60s ... and didn't know it until after we moved. When we were there Barry would have been 3-4 yrs old. That's right, we go way back. Undoubtedly one of the most accomplished and talented athletic families anywhere.

      Re: Jackie"

      Comments: Doggone it! You got to be quick with this group.I was going to mention brother Robert's hurdling exploits in 1960 whe No One beat me to it. Robert went on to play football, at San Jose State. I don't recall him running track there but if he did he was nowhere near as successful as he was as a prep. Anyone out there have any idea what happened to him?

      By the way if No One grew up in Riverside in the Bonds old neighborhood I'm sure he knows, or maybe he is one of the Baker boys. You know as in the new Cubs manager, Dusty. The Bakers lived there before moving to Sacramento.

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      • #18
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        1956 HJer was Bill Russell, right?
        Too bad there always was/always will be, much more $$$ in pro team sports. T&F gets the leftovers, seems like.. An idea: halftime(or, more likely, pre-game) HJ contests at NBA games. Just for fun - the crowd would like it, and NBA superstars probably wouldn't mind being shown up by shorter HJ specialists.

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        • #19
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          bforsyth: Did I make the question too easy with the reference to 2 NCAA basketball and 9 NBA titles? I didn't think anyone would pick K.C. Jones! (He also played with Bill Russell on the 2 NCAA Championship teams at USF and most, if not all, NBA Chapmpionship teams with the Boston Celtics)

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          • #20
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            <<Comments: I agree with Gary but have a
            >question for all you TAFNuts. What other
            >basketball All American jumped 6'10" in 1956 and
            >probably would have made the team in track if he
            >had wanted to and hadn't already made it in
            >basketball? Hint: He helped his college team win
            >2 NCAA and his pro team win 9 NBA championships?>

            Russell's best was 6-9 1/4 to tie for the win at the '56 West Coast Relays in Fresno. That made him No. 11 on the yearly world list, but only No. 7 among Americans. (Ahh, the days of domination---of the 51 men in the world who jumped 6-7 or better that year, 26 of them were American.) (And no, Johnny Mathis was not one of them, so don't start that crap again.)

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            • #21
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              "Comments: Doggone it! You got to be quick with this group.I was going to mention brother Robert's hurdling exploits in 1960 whe No One beat me to it. Robert went on to play football, at San Jose State. I don't recall him running track there but if he did he was nowhere near as successful as he was as a prep. Anyone out there have any idea what happened to him?

              By the way if No One grew up in Riverside in the Bonds old neighborhood I'm sure he knows, or maybe he is one of the Baker boys. You know as in the new Cubs manager, Dusty. The Bakers lived there before moving to Sacramento"

              .... not from Baker family. We only lived there 1 1/2 yrs and I was a skinny distance runner - just starting to factor into the so cal t&f wars. So didn't really 'grow up' in Riv or in the fairly track rich Riv County track talent. I do have a bro who ran track at USC in 'OJ' era and at that time. One of his room-mates was Bill Lee of outer space baseball fame and Neill Duggan of JC 3:56 (and England) fame. We moved around So Cal (another fairly track rich area) - but the Valley (of Valley Girl fame) was/is likely home base. I digress - but Riv Poly had a 'pre Bonds' LJ dynasty (natl caliber) of which I was only vaguely aware at the time. So Cal HS track in 60s and 70s was an exciting sport to be a part of.

              Another Bonds story (just heard about - wasn't there) - I've heard similar about Jackie Robinson and some others: playing a baseball game (field adjacent to track), in between innings comes over and LJs (wins), another offensive inning to run the 100 - gets 4th! in 9.7-8. Wanna take a guess which HS (major major sprint HS in So Cal - in fact THE sprinting school). Winner was 9.5-6. The mythology (or not) in So Cal was this school had 20 or so guys walkin around school in gym classes etc who could run 9.9. And your guess is?

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              • #22
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                >Too bad
                >there always was/always will be, much more $$$ in
                >pro team sports. T&F gets the leftovers, seems
                >like..

                The financial problems with track, from an athlete's standpoint, is that the money is less reliable. Any athlete under contract to a team for a given number of seasons doesn't have to worry about the short-term future. In contrast, only the true superstars of track still have cash coming in when they are injured or in a "slump" -- or pregnant!

                The statement that T&F gets the leftovers is quite true for males but not for females. Unless I'm missing something, I'd say that only golf and tennis have more earnings potential than track for women athletes.

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                • #23
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                  and a goggle search says:

                  25-3 Bobby Bonds (Poly) 1964
                  24-4.25 Verle Sorgen (Poly) 1949
                  24-3 Bob Britt (Poly) 1962
                  23-11.75 Joe Williamson (Poly) 1961
                  23-7 Al Washington (Poly) 1966

                  jwetter? you know anything about a 3rd brother named 'Bob' - I was always curious. Another google blip show Robert living in SLO with a daughter who was all everything in So Cal and playing Basketball at UCSB

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                  • #24
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                    jwetter wrote "I played basketball and was a
                    >lousy high jumper at Los Angeles Pierce Junior
                    >College in '57-'59 and one of our conference
                    >rivals was Pasadena CC. I was amazed when we went
                    >there to play basketball and I saw on their
                    >sports honors board their school records for
                    >track and field and there was Jackie Robinson's
                    >name with school records of 9.6 (100yd), 21.2
                    >(220yd) and 25'6" (long jump)."

                    I'm happy to have jwetter's agreement as to Jackie Robinson's greatness as an athlete. But I'll bet those sprint records he saw on the Pasadena CC honor roll belonged to Mack. I can't find Jackie on the sprint world list (and 9.6 and 21.2 were world class times) for any relevant year.

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                    • #25
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                      What did I start?

                      Answer to Garry Hill: You're right Bill Russel only jumped 6'9 1/4" (actually I thought it was 6'9 3/4" but didn't want to quibble about 1/4". How wrong I was with a photographic memory like yours.

                      Answer to No One: 1. The high school you refer to as the sprint HS was John Muir of Pasadena, CA. As I recall back in the 30's they had numerous California State Champions, none of which were the Robinson brothers. Even in the 50's and 60's they had plenty of top rated sprinters and hurdlers including Jerry Proctor mentioned in several other threads 2. The only Bonds brothers/sister I am aware of from the 60's era are Robert, Bobby and Rosie. If there was a Bob I've never heard of him.

                      Answer to Billthedog: The sprint records on the board at Pasadena back in 1959 were clearly Jackie Robinson. I was aware of Mack Robinson's status as an Olympic medalist at the time so I thought it might have been a mistake. As I recall I discounted it because the sprint times were the same year as the long jump (1938 I believe). Mack Robinson was several years older than Jackie and I didn't think he would have gone back to Pasadena CC and run for them 2 years after his Olympic medal in 1936. But who knows? Stranger things have happened. Maybe Garry Hill can set this one straight.

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                      • #26
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                        The definitive ATFS world lists as published by Potts & Quercetani go through 9.7 and 21.3 for both 37 and 38 and there's no sign of Robinson (just his brother).

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                        • #27
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                          Another tidbit or two on Mack Robinson. Perhaps the reason that Mack became such an outstanding track athlete is that he was barred from contact sports. A heart murmur was detected in Mack at Washington Junior High and school officials banned him from sports. Realizing how little else her boys had going for them, Mack's mother gave in to his pleading and asked the school to let him play. She had to sign a waiver, and contact sports were barred. Had he been allowed to play all the sports like his brother, he may have ventured away from track as well. And I can't imagine how difficult it must have been to play second fiddle to Jesse Owens in '36 and then later to brother Jackie.

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                          • #28
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                            Muir - yep. Team a SoCal legend as well as the hoards of sprinter - seemingly year after year after year. One of my earliest track memories was watching John House run a 9.2w - He won by 80 yards ... HA. Not a 'pretty runner' and a decent LJr to if memory serves. As that skinny distance guy I was warming up for my race in a 'CIF' semi-final (qualifying) meet at Chaffey College (again if memory) I stood next to the LJ pit when Jerry Proctor jumped 25 somethin. Electricity and another embedded track memory. He was the dominant athlete that year-a lithe 'man among boys.' The noise among the athletes throughout the year was that he was world record material - THAT yr. pre Beamon.

                            4x1 and 4x2s were always always ... well you know. Centennial and Compton were 'contendas'. Adrenaline dripped everywhere. Exciting meets. CIF-SS champ marks were almost always superior to state meet marks. Although Mel Gray and Dave Masters lit em up that yr.

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                            • #29
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                              Although John Muir H.S. was clearly "speed city" from the 30's through the late 80's, the league they belonged to much of that time (Foothill League) also produced some other great sprinters e.g.: Frank Wykoff, Glendale H.S., state champion 100yd. & 220yd 1927, Bobby Poynter Pasadena H.S. 9.5 100yd & 20.8 220yd, 1956 State Champion, Forest Beatty, Glendale Hoover early 60's 9.4 100yd, 20.2 220yd straightaway, Ralph Turner, John Burroughs, Burbank 9.5 & 20.6 (same year as Beatty) all produced great results. Add to them the host of Muir sprinters over time, especially the several in the 30's and you had one powerhouse league for the sprints. As I recall one of the early 1960 years had 4-5 guys run 9.6 or better in the 100yd and only the top 3 finishers in the league finals advanced to the Southern Section prelims.

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                              • #30
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                                I had a friend who ran consistent sub-10 second 100 yd times and anchored all the sprint relay teams where I went to college in the early 1960's. He was a little, cross-eyed white guy who had graduated from Pasadena Muir and claimed he never got to run on ANY relay teams in high school... too slow. On the subject of Muir athletes, weren't there two House brothers... one a sprinter, the other a long jumper?

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