Non-fiberglass PV record

[1.97hjsteve]

What's the highest PV on a non-fiberglass pole ? Is it still Gutowski's never-approved 15' 9 3/4' ? I know Bragg had a 15' 9 1/4" approved WR , Morris a 15' 8" the next year, and Warmerdam had 15' 8 1/2" (i) plus has long time WR 15' 7 1/4"...etc. How about someone showing a 5 or 10 deep " all time non-fiberglass list. " !

[vaulter83]

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I thought I read somewhere that Bubka could straight pole about 16' and used it to as a measurement of how his training was going. Have to see if I can find that again.

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Gutowski it is! In the November '65 edition of T&FN, Craig Moore produced a list (vetted by Jack Shepard and Horace Crow) of the 27 men who did 15-0 or better on bamboo/steel. Here's the first 10:

1. Bob Gutowski US 15’93/4” Autstin, TX 6/15/57
2. Don Bragg US 15’91/4” Palo Alto, CA 7/2/60
3. John Cramer US 15’81/4” Walnut, CA 6/23/62
4. Ron Morris US 15’8” New York City, NY 6/25/61
5. Cornelius Warmerdam US 15’73/4” Modesto, CA 5/23/42
6. Bob Richards US 15’5” Santa Ana, CA 10/27/56
Jim Graham US 15’5” Norman Oklhoma 5/19/59
Manfred Preussger Ger 15’5” Magdegurg, Germany 10/14/61
9. J.D. Martin US 15’4” Ames, IA 5/21/60
Henry Wadsworth US 15’4” New York City, NY 6/25/61

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that list did not include indoor marks if made off a board runway: i have no idea how that would affect things (other than knowing that it wouldn't knock Gutowski off the top rung).

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I seem to recall the free-spirited Steve Smith (the first indoor 18-footer) figuring he could do 16 on steel, but after training a while at it, decided it was far tougher a task than it seemed.

[1.97hjsteve]

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Does anybody disagree with my comment on a different thread that Bubka could have done 16, either now, or way back when ?

[1.97hjsteve]

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I love to try to get the last word. My comment about Bubka is semi-serious, in that no vaulter, IMHO, ever had his combination og speed, strength, and agility. If he had been born in 1915 or 1930 , and trained and competed against the likes of Warmerdam and Richards, he would have beaten them and jumped 16.

I know, what a

[1.97hjsteve]

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OOPS, HIT A BUTTON....

what a waste of time, but isn't that why we are all screwing around with this message board in the first place ?

Beats workin' .

[1.97hjsteve]

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depends on what your job is. I guess Garry Hill is working when he raps out his amazing statistical and historical answers....thanks Garry !

[Guest]

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Does it strike any of you as amazing that Warmerdam on bamboo went higher than all but four vaulters on steel? For all the success that Richards had, he never broke Warmerdam's record. Wow.

[Guest]

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Were the "steel" poles really made of steel, or were they aluminum (or a composite)? I'd think that much steel would be damned heavy.

[Per Andersen]

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Well, Bob Richards was only 5'10 and that was definitely a handicap on the steel poles but Warmerdam was way ahead of his time and a close second of all time in my book. But of Richards Bragg and Gutowski who would have done best on fiberglass? I would pick Gutowski slightly ahead of Richards.

[tandfman]

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Bob Richards is indeed Brandon Richards's father.