Great Britain & N.I. Terminology Question

[bambam1729]

Mark Cavendish won a silver in 2016. And a bronze at the 2006 Commonwealth.

I can't think offhand of any track people. Wouldn't surprise me if there was someone.

This is from my compatriot in the OlyMADMen, Hilary Evans, who is Welsh:

All 3 have won a gold medal in shooting. Isle of Man 2 more in cycling.
Total medals
IOM 12 GUE 6 JER 4

Athletics - no medals
Best performances
IOM Graham Young - 4th 30k walk 1972
GUE Dale Garland - 5th Decathlon 2006
JER Anthony Satchwell - 7th shot and discus 1974

[NotDutra5]

Just noticed that even Gibraltar gets it own spot under the country category. Oi vey! Yet I can't find one athlete or stat for that "country" on the WA site. Admittedly, I did a very quick search.

Don't be pickin' on Gibraltar. That's where my wife's mom is from. Maybe she holds the rock's w100m record.

[noone]

Guernsey may have a contender soon. Alistair Chalmers, 20, won the 400H at the British Championships earlier this month in 49.66.He won by about 10 yards, could have done sub 49 if pressed.

[El Toro]

Wikipedia has a table of medals for all CWG Federation members: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-ti...es_medal_table

There's only a few that haven't won any medals at all. Part of this is because the range of sports includes activities that are popular in different areas of the Commonwealth, allowing pretty much every country to be good at something. Even Norfolk Island has some medals, probably from lawn bowls, if memory serves me.

[Vault-emort]

Has an athlete from Jersey, Guernsey, or the Isle of Man ever won a Commonwealth/Empire medal in our sport, let alone another sport?

The current British #2 tennis player, Heather Watson, won a gold medal at the Commonwealth Youth Games in 2008, competing for Guernsey. She probably didn't get to compete in the doubles...

[El Toro]

I've made a table of population figures for the non-medal winners. Most of them are small and/or islands with the two most populous having more important things to worry about other than sporting success.

Member	Population
Anguilla	14,731
Antigua and Barbuda	96,286
Belize	408,487
Brunei	459,500
Falkland Islands	3,398
Gibraltar	34,003
Maldives	379,270
Montserrat	4,649
Niue	1,620
Rwanda	12,374,397
Saint Helena	5,633
Sierra Leone	7,092,113
Turks and Caicos	42,953
Tuvalu	11,646

And just for NotDutra5, the Gibraltarian NR lists: https://gibraltarathletics.com/nationalrecords/

[bambam1729]

Wikipedia has a table of medals for all CWG Federation members: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-ti...es_medal_table

There's only a few that haven't won any medals at all. Part of this is because the range of sports includes activities that are popular in different areas of the Commonwealth, allowing pretty much every country to be good at something. Even Norfolk Island has some medals, probably from lawn bowls, if memory serves me.

Yes, but the Commonwealth Games site is pretty good and has medal lists as well - https://thecgf.com/about

[Powell]

The Brits may refer to England, Scotland, Wales etc. as "countries" for historical reasons, but it's a misleading term. They function under the UK government and are not independent states. It's a simlar situation to Germany, where the subdivisions are called "Land", which also literally means "country". Again, that makes historical sense, because they used to be independent entities, but you would never refer to, say, today's Bavaria as a country in English.

[tandfman]

The Brits may refer to England, Scotland, Wales etc. as "countries" for historical reasons, but it's a misleading term. They function under the UK government and are not independent states. .

They're not independent, but they do have governments that have certain degree of autonomy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countr...United_Kingdom

[Trickstat]

Guernsey may have a contender soon. Alistair Chalmers, 20, won the 400H at the British Championships earlier this month in 49.66.He won by about 10 yards, could have done sub 49 if pressed.

His older brother, Callum (400 PB 45.64), ran the first leg in the British 4x400 team at the WCs in Doha last year. I do think Alistair is a better prospect for individual medals in the future. However, they must have Scottish parentage and, I am pretty sure that Callum ran for Scotland at the 2018 Commonwealths and I assume that Alistair will follow suit. That 49.66 is not yet a Guernsey 400H record as his former coach, Dale Garland, ran 49.54.

[Trickstat]

They're not independent, but they do have governments that have certain degree of autonomy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countr...United_Kingdom

I'd also defy anyone to stand up in a crowded pub or bar in Edinburgh or Cardiff and say that Scotland or Wales isn't a country!

[Trickstat]

They're not independent, but they do have governments that have certain degree of autonomy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countr...United_Kingdom

This has been particularly relevant during the Coronavirus outbreak where rules and guidelines brought in by the UK government have only actually applied to England.

[Conor Dary]

I'd also defy anyone to stand up in a crowded pub or bar in Edinburgh or Cardiff and say that Scotland or Wales isn't a country!

Exactly....in 1987 first time in Edinburgh I order a pint of bitter. The bartender quickly replied...."You're not in England anymore!"

The England vs Scotland or Wales football or RU matches are the equivalent of the US vs USSR in the old days.

[Conor Dary]

This has been particularly relevant during the Coronavirus outbreak where rules and guidelines brought in by the UK government have only actually applied to England.

In the FT today....

The prime minister will today host a presentation with Chris Whitty, England’s chief medical officer, and Patrick Vallance, chief scientific adviser, who are urging tougher measures to contain the virus.

[Powell]

They're not independent, but they do have governments that have certain degree of autonomy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countr...United_Kingdom

Sure they do, just like the US states or German Lands.