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    This MUST have been discussed before, but this video purports to 'prove' that Hayes ran 8.58 that day - by counting frames.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5OhpzFZ0ys

    Does that seem legit?
    If so, I'm not so sure that GOAT Bolt could have run that fast on that track.
    Yes, no, maybe so?

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    Bob Hayes was without question the fastest human the world had ever seen up to 1964, not debatable. And that 4x1 anchor was remarkable....sorta. Not one team had anyone who even made it to the 100m semi finals on anchor. Cuba not there, Canada not there, It was a slew of 10.5/10.6 guys.

    Hayes is the fastest running back/WR we have seen, the fastest NFLer. but was he really faster than Tommie Smith? Smith once ran down soon to be Olympic 100m gold medalist Jim Hines on a 4x1anchor. I personally saw him run a 19.4 4x2 leg running down New Mexico's Bernie Rivers a 20,5 guy. When Smith hit his max velocity/top end he was as fast as anyone. And he sustained/maintained the jets unlike anyone ever had.

    I buy that 8.5/6 anchor but see Smith matching it and Bolt. Toss in Michael Johnson and there is Mount Sprintmore.
    Last edited by Alcyallen; 07-21-2021, 11:40 PM.

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    • #3
      Note the following correction by the author, taken from the comments:

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Davidokun View Post
        Note the following correction by the author, taken from the comments:

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        How much is dirt surface playing into this?

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        • #5
          what an incredible athlete. Could have been a Bolt if he was not a football star

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          • #6
            Originally posted by spartacus View Post
            what an incredible athlete. Could have been a Bolt if he was not a football star

            Out of track by 23, imagine him at 28ish.

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            • #7
              Justin Clouder has waxed eloquently about Hayes over the years. He's made some really interesting (and sometimes controversial) observations about the sprinting game.
              Is he here by some other name?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Alcyallen View Post


                Out of track by 23, imagine him at 28ish.

                Maybe better, maybe not. Remember Bolt did not get faster after 23(not that he needed to)
                There are no strings on me

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by guru View Post


                  Maybe better, maybe not. Remember Bolt did not get faster after 23(not that he needed to)
                  Then there"s Carl Lewis
                  1980 10.21 18 Knoxville Jun 16
                  1981 10.00 1 Dallas May 16
                  1982 10.00 1 Modesto May 15
                  1983 9.97 2 Modesto May 14
                  1984 9.99 2 Houston May 6
                  1985 9.98 1 Modesto May 11
                  1986 10.06 5 Moscow Jul 9
                  1987 9.93 1 Rome Aug 30
                  1988 9.92 1 Seoul Sep 24
                  1989 10.05 6 Villeneuve d´Ascq Jun 25
                  1990 10.05 7 Norwalk Jun 15
                  1991 9.86 1 Tokyo Aug 25
                  1992 10.07 10 Zürich Aug 19
                  1993 10.02 6 Stuttgart Aug 15
                  1994 10.04 11 Houston May 07
                  1995 10.12 17 Sacramento Jun 15
                  1996 10.03 15 Atlanta Jun 15

                  Justin Gatlin

                  Year Result Place Venue Date
                  2001 10.08 17 Eugene Jun 02
                  2002 10.05 15 Knoxville Apr 06
                  2003 9.97 5 Zürich Aug 15
                  2004 9.85 1 Athens Aug 22
                  2005 9.88 2 Helsinki Aug 07
                  2006 9.77 1 Doha May 12
                  2011 9.95 16 Eugene, OR Jun 24
                  2012 9.79 3 London Aug 05
                  2013 9.85 3 Moskva Aug 11
                  2014 9.77 1 Bruxelles Sep 05
                  2015 9.74 1 Doha May 15
                  2016 9.80 1 Eugene, OR Jul 03
                  2017 9.92 5 London (Olympic Stadium) Aug 05
                  2019 9.87 4 Palo Alto, CA (USA) Jun 30

                  Hayes only had 62-64



                  Last edited by Alcyallen; 07-22-2021, 01:10 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Those who beat Hayes.

                    Alfred Austin and Jimmy "Peach Head" Douglas in high school
                    Darel Newman in a 60
                    Roger Sayers (older bro) and Harry Jerome 100 yards
                    Henry Carr, Homer Jones, Paul Drayton 200m

                    That Rattler 4x1 team...

                    Alfred Austin....yep!
                    Al Denson Pro footballer to be
                    Bob Paremore....other RB beside Hayes 9.4 guy also soon to be NFL,ah....bust.
                    Hayes

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by guru View Post


                      Maybe better, maybe not. Remember Bolt did not get faster after 23(not that he needed to)
                      Long list of those who did, so...hmmm?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Alcyallen View Post
                        Those who beat Hayes.

                        . . . . .
                        Darel Newman in a 60
                        At Sunkist and the LA Times meets we'd often have a Masters 60. Newman was usually in them, and this gave us an automatic note for his introduction. ". . . . . and one-time conqueror of Bob Hayes . . . . . "

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by cigar95 View Post
                          At Sunkist and the LA Times meets we'd often have a Masters 60. Newman was usually in them, and this gave us an automatic note for his introduction. ". . . . . and one-time conqueror of Bob Hayes . . . . . "
                          Thing about Newman is he always looked old, saw him many times at Fresno State back in the day, Always had a great start as ya know,

                          Always curious as to why he never did anything at the Cali state HS meet, he was out of Reedley.

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                          • #14
                            Getting back to Bob Hayes, the guy really was just a football player, a running back, track was not his main interest.

                            In his book RUN BULLET RUN ,he talks about the track coach asking him to come out for track. Reminds me of how Tommie Smith went to SJS on a basketball ride.

                            He also played basketball and baseball. Love to see some video of that, Hayes trying to beat out a grounder to first, whoa!

                            ESPN did a thing some years about the Fastest NFL Players ever, Bullet Bob was behind Darrel Green, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

                            I never thought I'd ever see anyone faster than Buller Bob, And if we play this......with todays yaketyyak....not sure I have with the exception of Bolt who is a legit freak of nature.




                            Last edited by Alcyallen; Yesterday, 01:37 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Alcyallen View Post
                              track was not his main interest.
                              When he was competing, it sure was.

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