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  • #16
    Originally posted by Steele View Post
    Where are the 24 footers? In the 80s.
    A standard that should have been met by now, as we watched the triple jump WR go from 49 feet to 50 feet to 51 feet...

    The WR that Yulimar Rojas broke was set by a 24-foot long jumper (Kravets 7.37 in 1992). Thirteen of the thirty-seven 24-footers came in the 1990s, 2 from 2000 onwards. Reese (7.31 in 2016) and Mihambo (7.30 in 2019) have been the closest since.

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    • #17
      The 80s and 90s had other things that make it difficult to compare eras.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by CookyMonzta View Post

        A standard that should have been met by now, as we watched the triple jump WR go from 49 feet to 50 feet to 51 feet...
        Where are all the 23m women's shot putters, a standard that should have been met by now, as we watched the triple jump WR go from 49 feet to 50 feet to 51 feet...


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        • #19
          Originally posted by Steele View Post
          The 80s and 90s had other things that make it difficult to compare eras.
          yes, the same thing the '60s and '70s and today have

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          • #20
            Originally posted by gh View Post

            yes, the same thing the '60s and '70s and today have
            Maybe not a difference in kind, but certainly a difference in degree.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by El Toro View Post

              Where are all the 23m women's shot putters, a standard that should have been met by now, as we watched the triple jump WR go from 49 feet to 50 feet to 51 feet...

              There was far more dirt in the shot than it ever was in the long jump or triple jump. More shot-putters are getting caught dirty even today than horizontal jumpers.

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              • #22
                The men face the same issue. I don't know if King Carl spoiled us but I miss the days when 27'6" was the beginning of the conversation.
                You there, on the motorbike! Sell me one of your melons!

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                • #23
                  In doing the write-up of the 2021 OT for the 2024 OT e-book on the T&FN site I realised that Reese may be the best OT competitor ever - 4 OT consecutive wins [better than Lewis or Oerter [who never won - he was saving himself for later each year] - and every time she won it was with a seasonal best, twice with PRs including in 2016 her lifetime best.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by rhymans View Post
                    In doing the write-up of the 2021 OT for the 2024 OT e-book on the T&FN site
                    Say what?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by CookyMonzta View Post
                      At a time when triple-jumps of 15 meters (starting with Ana Biryukova in 1993), 50 feet and even 51 feet are coming like clockwork, you'd think the 24-foot barrier would have been reached by many on the world circuit and many times over.
                      Just to follow up on this point, the women's triple jump is not a good comparison here.

                      Rojas is the only person consistently jumping 15m like "clockwork". If 50ft = 15.24m then again, only Rojas in the past 5 years (only Rojas (6 jumps) + Ibarguen & Rypakova (1 jump each) in the past 13 years). Plus the Womens triple jump has only been an official event internationally for barely over 30 years compared to almost a century of the long jump.

                      1990 - 1999: 8 women went 15m or better (1 athlete/2 performances above 15.24m)
                      2000 - 2009: 14 women went 15m or better (5 athletes/11 performances above 15.24m)
                      2009 - Present: 6 women went 15m or better (3 athletes/8 performances above 15.24m)

                      If anything, Rojas aside, we have seen a drastic downturn in the triple jump compared to the 2000's, just the 2nd decade the event was available for official records and international medals.
                      Last edited by ATK; 09-19-2021, 08:03 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by scottmitchell74 View Post
                        The men face the same issue. I don't know if King Carl spoiled us but I miss the days when 27'6" was the beginning of the conversation.
                        I get tired of saying: "Jesse Owens jumped further...in 1935."

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                        • #27
                          JJK has the distances, but Reese has the greater hardware. But IMO tying to compare LJ performances from a completely different era is problematic.

                          Times and distances should be ranked below medals and number 1 rankings. Or are we saying that Lisovskaya is greater than Adams, or Hellmann greater than Perkovic? No, thought not.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Wiederganger View Post
                            JJK has the distances, but Reese has the greater hardware. But IMO tying to compare LJ performances from a completely different era is problematic.

                            Times and distances should be ranked below medals and number 1 rankings. Or are we saying that Lisovskaya is greater than Adams, or Hellmann greater than Perkovic? No, thought not.
                            But then where did JJK put on some of her greatest performances? Three of them came on the biggest stage available to her, all 3 being 24-footers in head-to-head matchups against Drechsler, among others.

                            Jackie might not have the hardware that Reese has (World Champs being 4 years apart in her prime, abd primarily a hurdles specialist indoors), but the hardware she does have, combined with her performances on the biggest stages available (unmatched by anyone since), and her rankings record, were more than enough for me to keep her as my #2...

                            ...And speaking of which, there are some here who once insisted on ranking Göhr in the top 3 (even #1) in the 100, despite the fact that that her world competition record, at her very best, included one World Cup win, one World Champs win, and an Olympic silver medal in a race she should not have lost. Her being ranked in my top 10 (behind Rudolph in a longevity-deficient era, behind Stecher and behind a fast-rising Thompson- Herah) obviously comes from her performances. At the time, none but Evelyn Ashford was running what she was running, the exception being that Evelyn has more hardware to go with her performances and WRs. Until Shelly came along with her eye-popping performances to go with her medal haul, I considered Evelyn to be the total package in her event...

                            ...Which is how I viewed Jackie, when I tested her LJ record against Brittney's. And strangely enough, Drechsler never jumped 24 feet in a World, Olympic or even European championship competition. The closest she came was 7.30 at the 1990 Euros.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by scottmitchell74 View Post
                              The men face the same issue. I don't know if King Carl spoiled us but I miss the days when 27'6" was the beginning of the conversation.
                              You ain't kiddin'! And it didn't take long for Myricks to step up his game. Unless I see one or more guys popping 8.50 on a consistent basis, I doubt that they will ever crack my all-time top 10. None of these guys today strike me as being the total package.

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                              • #30
                                By pretty much any objective criteria JJK is a superior LJer to Reese. Reese is outstanding and the best we've had this century but she's no JJK, which is no knock on Reese . . .

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