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    Re: Steve Prefontaine Over or Under Rated?

    I do not have access to my T&FN etc.
    >right now. To my thinking, the most remarkable
    >mid-race surge in a long distance race at a
    >recent "high-level" championship, was Paul (?)
    >Kipkoech's run in the 10K, at the Worlds
    >(87?/89?). What a shame that ill health prevented
    >him from showing us more of his talent in future
    >years!>

    That was '87. I think he ran around a 14:00 first half and then ran 13:38 for the second half which at the time was considered a pretty quick finish.

    I think he died of hepatitis?

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    yo, turn off the caps lock, dude - no need to shout.

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    NO,,,MAYBEE A LITTLE BUT THE BOTTOM LINE WAS AND YOU HAVE TO TALK TO BILL DELLINGER FACE TOP FACE,PRE 1ST HELD 6 AMERICAN RECORDS+ONE MORE.I THINK HE WOULD HAVE BEATEN VIREN IN MONTREAL IN 5K NOT 10K.HE WAS ACCORDING TO BOWERMAN IN 99,PREPARING FOR SUB 13:10 IN 5K HEADING TOWARDS SUB 13,PROBABLY WORLD CUP-77.

    HERES SOMETHING NO ONE HAS EVER EVER MENTIONED,PRE WAS GOING TO RUN THE 5K&1500 SURPRISE AT 76 OLYMPIC TRIALS.HE FELT HE COULD EASILY BEING IN EUGENE RUN A 335 AT HAYWARDFIELD.3:36.MAYBEE FASTER.IN STEVES MIND THE REAL TEST OF HIS CAREER WAS WHO WAS GOING UNDER 3:50 IN THE MILE IN 1976 WALKER DID BUT PRE WANTED IN TOO.OUTSIDE OF RICK WOLHUTER,HE REMAINED UNBEATABLE AGAINST OTHER AMERICANS HE AND WOLHUTER WERE THE 76 SURPRISE SHOWDOWN IN EUGENE.MILE HISTORY WAS CALLING IN 1976.MOST NO ONE KNOWS BUT PRE HAD INTENDED ON RUNNING IN KINGSTON JAMAICA IN 1975 MAY WHEN BAYI BROKE JIM RYANS WORLD RECORD,HE COUKLDNT HIS NORDITALIA ATHLETES RIGHTS MEET AGAINST THE FINNS WAS AT THE SAME TIME ALMOST&VIREN NEVER SHOWED UP.

    U LEARN SOMETHING NEW EVERYDAY.

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    "As a runner: probably over-rated.
    As a personality and 'force' in track at the time: rated where he should be - extremely high. He did more to galvanize Am distance running and inspire others than did even Shorter, who's 2nd in influence."

    This states it quite well. I'm a huge fan and Pre was an extremely important icon/role model when I was competing. However, it's clear that his memory is far more vital in the US than anywhere else. In Europe, he's simply a guy who probably had a good deal more potential than he ever realized. One of the reasons he's so avidly remembered today is precisely because of all the (we assume) untapped potential--we can imagine that he would have accomplished anything and everything.

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    <It probably would have taken something as radical as John Ngugi's mid-race surge in the Seoul 5K (when have we seen a race like that since then??!!) to win the '76 race, and I don't think Pre or anyone else had the goods at that time.>

    I do not have access to my T&FN etc. right now. To my thinking, the most remarkable mid-race surge in a long distance race at a recent "high-level" championship, was Paul (?) Kipkoech's run in the 10K, at the Worlds (87?/89?). What a shame that ill health prevented him from showing us more of his talent in future years!

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    I don't think Pre had
    >refined his tactics to the level necessary to
    >beat racers with better kicks that possessed the
    >same or better fitness than he did. Recall that
    >Brendan Foster started using mid-race surges
    >effectively in 1974 and 75, but Carlos Lopes
    >employed a more gradual acceleration from the
    >front in the '76 10K and Foster couldn't handle
    >that strategy.

    Foster was ill for that race and still managed to hang on to third. Pre was very similar to Lopes and might have fought Lopes for the silver at 10k.

    He doesn't medal at 5k.

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  • MJD
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    >I must have missed something....what is the
    >gruesome disease that Ian Stewart may die of?

    It was just a "Brian's Song" reference. Nothing wrong with the man.

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    I must have missed something....what is the gruesome disease that Ian Stewart may die of?

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  • MJD
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    >Stewart didn't
    >have the good fortune to kill himself in a car
    >accident at a young age. That's always a good way
    >to achieve cult status.

    Excellent point. I'm going to get flamed for this but Cobain and Kennedy quickly come to mind.

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  • larwood
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    Phidippides is the first example of fame
    from an early demise. I am sure if he just
    roared in, said his spiel and then went and had
    a brew or two (or whatever they drank in those
    days) history would be different. (At least
    in Boston on Partiots Day.)

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  • gh
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    > Did they do two movies and a documentary about Stewart? I don't recall that.>>

    Stewart didn't have the good fortune to kill himself in a car accident at a young age. That's always a good way to achieve cult status. But he still has a chance to die of a gruesome disease, which also works well.

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    Would he have won in 1976. Probably not but one thing I can guarentee. He would have made the guys who medaled hurt all the more. They would have paid a higher price for their medals.

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  • MJD
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    >Did they do two movies and a
    >documentary about Stewart? I don't recall that.

    Do they know much about Pre in Europe?

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  • tafnut
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    As a runner: probably over-rated.
    As a personality and 'force' in track at the time: rated where he should be - extremely high. He did more to galvanize Am distance running and inspire others than did even Shorter, who's 2nd in influence. Even more than Lindgren [gh heresy] and Mills (and Schul) whose exploits were huge. 'Pre lives' is still a slogan among runners among the current crop of high school runners - how's that for influence? His quote about making the race come down to who had the most guts is the best running quote ever. He was not the most talented or the fastest and I doubt he would have won in '76, but he did more than anyone else to stir our passions. Did they do two movies and a documentary about Stewart? I don't recall that.

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    Very interesting post by gh...can't argue with those facts re: Ian Stewart, but you have to admire Pre's moxy...even tho he was doomed from the beginning by the slow pace,he had the guts to take off in the final four laps and try to steal the race. But Pre always needed a fast pace to do well..he had no blazing kick, only a devastating long drive on toop of a fast, punishing pace. I would have liked to see how well Pre would have done in todays fast, rabbited European races--I think he would have done very well.

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