Long Jump GOAT [split]

[nevetsllim]

As well as age bests at 16 (6.91m), 17 (6.98m), 18 (7.14m) and 19 (7.40m).

And a windy 7m+ in 1981!

[Andrea_T]

JJK may be your sentimental favorite, but there's really no comparison if you lay their resumes side by side.

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Exactly. And to add to your stats, Drechsler also has 4 european golds, world and european indoor titlkes, the longest recorded junp by a woman ever at 7.63w, the world indoor record (7.37) world junior and senior world records in her career, as well as 20 yrs in the worlds top 10 & the highest ranking score in an event in the TFN rankings.

There really is no comparison.

[tafnut]

I totally buy everything in the above two posts (and also knew it), but as I say, all things considered, I'll go with JJK.

[jazzcyclist]

JJK may be your sentimental favorite, but there's really no comparison if you lay their resumes side by side.

Olympic Medals
HD - 2 gold, 1 silver; JJK - 1 gold, 2 bronze

World Champs Medals
HD - 2 gold, 1 silver, 1 bronze; JJK - 2 gold

Performances of 7.30 or greater
HD - 20; JJK - 8

Performances of 7.40 or greater
HD - 8; JJK - 4

Of the 60 longest jumps of all times, 27 belong to Drechsler and 8 belong to Kersee.

[rhymans]

I think you'd have to put Drechsler ahead of JJK -

On win-loss in major championships JJK is ahead 4-3 (3-1 in WC, 1-2 in OG)

JJK has OG - 1 Gold, 2 Bronze, WC - 2 Gold + 5th/6th
HD has OG - 2 Gold, 1 Silver, WC - 2 Gold, 1 Silver, 1 Bronze + 4th/9th/NQ

JJK has 40 marks at 7m or better in her career, but HD has 124 such efforts

Drechsler misses out on almost certain OG gold in 1984

Out of the 3 categories usually used in rating athletes (Honours won, Head-to-head, Marks) HD leads 2 to 1

No question that JJK has a greater career when considering all events, but
in LJ HD must have the edge

[tafnut]

MALE GLJOAT = Lewis
FEMALE GLJOAT = Drechsler
Can't see how anyone can argue against either of these as the best ever in that event.

All things considered, I'd put JJK over Dreschler, even though HD has more 'honors won'.

[jazzcyclist]

So far, Eldrick still hasn't let us know who he thinks the men's long jump GOAT is. :P

[Andrea_T]

MALE GLJOAT = Lewis
FEMALE GLJOAT = Drechsler

Can't see how anyone can argue against either of these as the best ever in that event.

[runforlife]

Lewis was GOAT and you can argue till the cows come home but it isn't going to change that fact. Trust me.! :wink:

That statement just about wraps up the discussion, IMHO!!
From dj - I like the comparison between Beamon and Maris as I think it's applicable.

[lonewolf]

I was unable to weigh in on this earlier but just want to confirm that Carlton Lewis is the GLJOAT.

[bad hammy]

Nasty trick question. Not a single one. At the time he ran, the Cincy school board did not allow their students to travel to the state championships.

Here I was thinking 'none, he went to school in Indiana' or somesuch . . .

[Mighty Favog]

Nasty trick question. Not a single one. At the time he ran, the Cincy school board did not allow their students to travel to the state championships.

[dj]

Trivia question: How many Ohio state championships did Hubbard win?

I'm guessing 8: twice winning 100, 220, 120H and BJ. Or 10 including 220H?

For all I know, he won titles in four different years.

[Mighty Favog]

Varioius rambling thoughts:

Knock out the altitude-assisted marks and Lewis has three outdoor WRs. The only other multiple low-alt record setters of the IAAF era are Ralph Boston and . . . no one.

dj obviously knows that William DeHart Hubbard set a WR of 7.89m in 1925. He also knows another later "record" was disallowed because the takeoff board was an inch higher than the pit. He might not know what I worked out a while back. With a probable takeoff angle of 19-21 degrees (provided by Boo Shexnayder), some physics guys & I have determined that had the sand been level with the board, he would have jumped at least 7.90 and probably 7.91. Not a real WR in any sense, but worth mentioning.

Disclaimer: In no way, shape , or form am I arguing that Hubbard should be considered the GOAT. Trivia question: How many Ohio state championships did Hubbard win?

[tafnut]

The 28-10 is so anomalous, therefore, that one can posit that he must have hit a trampoline spot, no?

That is certainly one explanation. MY explanation is that he hit HIS perfect jump, as Beamon did his, but my argument here is that CL's is worth MUCH more than BB's (or anyone else's in history with the possible exception of Jesse's monster WR).