Long Jump GOAT [split]

[tafnut]

His indoor WR remains the best LJ ever, considering all factors, IMO.

[gh]

Maybe not. Anybody remember/know what the MSG setup was like in those days? Could well have been one of those trampolinie runways. I'm sure it was elevated and not laid flat on the floor.

[dj]

Maybe not. Anybody remember/know what the MSG setup was like in those days? Could well have been one of those trampolinie runways. I'm sure it was elevated and not laid flat on the floor.

It was an elevated runway. It has to be, otherwise there's no depth to the sand in the pit!

[tafnut]

Maybe not. Anybody remember/know what the MSG setup was like in those days? Could well have been one of those trampolinie runways. I'm sure it was elevated and not laid flat on the floor.

It was an elevated runway. It has to be, otherwise there's no depth to the sand in the pit!

I considered that, but it was NOT 'sprung' like they do in gymnastics, so it's a total crap shoot to hit a solid take-off point. Dwight made a big explanation once on how he scouted out indoor aprons to see where the live and dead spots were. Unless CL hit a tight joint, he could have LOST distance. It was definitely not as generous a surface as Tokyo 91 or Indy or any other 'hard' mondo track. AND in most indoor venues, jumpers have to shorten their approach (don't know if he did, but he did have a hellacious long approach outdoors). There's no 'given' advantage to elevated runways.

[gh]

Have you ever jumped off an elevated board surface of '80s vintage?

[tafnut]

Have you ever jumped off an elevated board surface of '80s vintage?

70's yes; 80's no; 90's yes. Never came close to my outdoor marks of the same year, with identical preparation. Look at the marks that surround CL back then. Nothing like it.

Jan 27, 1984 Millrose Games, New York
1. Lewis 28-10.25
2. Myricks 27'6 (a major stud then with a 28-2.5 outdoors that year)
3. Bradley 25-4 (26-8 the year before)
4. Spry 24-8 (26-10 the year before)

Feb 24, 1984 TAC, New YOrk (Presumably the same runway)
1. Lewis 27-10
2. Myricks 27-8
3. Conley 25-6 (27-2 the year before)

I just don't see the BIG help. The 28-10 surpassed Beamon's accomplishment and every one since then, with the possible exception of Lewis's 30-foot 'Monster Foul'.

[gh]

The 28-10 is so anomalous, therefore, that one can posit that he must have hit a trampoline spot, no?

[tafnut]

The 28-10 is so anomalous, therefore, that one can posit that he must have hit a trampoline spot, no?

That is certainly one explanation. MY explanation is that he hit HIS perfect jump, as Beamon did his, but my argument here is that CL's is worth MUCH more than BB's (or anyone else's in history with the possible exception of Jesse's monster WR).

[Mighty Favog]

Varioius rambling thoughts:

Knock out the altitude-assisted marks and Lewis has three outdoor WRs. The only other multiple low-alt record setters of the IAAF era are Ralph Boston and . . . no one.

dj obviously knows that William DeHart Hubbard set a WR of 7.89m in 1925. He also knows another later "record" was disallowed because the takeoff board was an inch higher than the pit. He might not know what I worked out a while back. With a probable takeoff angle of 19-21 degrees (provided by Boo Shexnayder), some physics guys & I have determined that had the sand been level with the board, he would have jumped at least 7.90 and probably 7.91. Not a real WR in any sense, but worth mentioning.

Disclaimer: In no way, shape , or form am I arguing that Hubbard should be considered the GOAT. Trivia question: How many Ohio state championships did Hubbard win?

[dj]

Trivia question: How many Ohio state championships did Hubbard win?

I'm guessing 8: twice winning 100, 220, 120H and BJ. Or 10 including 220H?

For all I know, he won titles in four different years.

[Mighty Favog]

Nasty trick question. Not a single one. At the time he ran, the Cincy school board did not allow their students to travel to the state championships.

[bad hammy]

Nasty trick question. Not a single one. At the time he ran, the Cincy school board did not allow their students to travel to the state championships.

Here I was thinking 'none, he went to school in Indiana' or somesuch . . .

[lonewolf]

I was unable to weigh in on this earlier but just want to confirm that Carlton Lewis is the GLJOAT.

[runforlife]

Lewis was GOAT and you can argue till the cows come home but it isn't going to change that fact. Trust me.! :wink:

That statement just about wraps up the discussion, IMHO!!
From dj - I like the comparison between Beamon and Maris as I think it's applicable.

[Andrea_T]

MALE GLJOAT = Lewis
FEMALE GLJOAT = Drechsler

Can't see how anyone can argue against either of these as the best ever in that event.