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    one of the subject I like to read the most is "all time best". While many posters view their opinion on the subject, none explain the criteria according to which athletes were ranked and in some cases the list seems to be biased according to one's favorite athletes and nationality.
    In this post I have tried to create a scoring method that will ranked athletes according to their performance. The method is ranking athletes according to two major criteria:
    Annual ranking according to time/mark, and success in major championship.
    I do not take into account the level of performance for two reasons: first it is the hardest to formulized, secondly and more important the level of performance is sadly not only influenced by the athlete's ability but also by the era in which he compete and the drugs that were at the time.
    That mean the MJ will get the same points for winning 95,96 WC and OG as KK that won in 00,01.
    I started the calculation in 1981 and only the top 8 in each event are reported. However if an athlete makes it to the top 8 and he competed also before 1981 his point will be added to his total. For example Moses points from 1976-1980 will be added to his total since he is ranked on the top 8 in the 400h based on his post 1980 performance. In the next post I will present the scoring method in details and the other will give the results for all men event except the marathon and walks.

    The scoring system:
    Athletes will score points if:
    a) They ranked in the top 8 at the annual list (based on their time/mark). Athlete will get 10 points for being ranked in the first place, 6 for second and than all the way to a single point for being ranked in the 7/8 place.
    b) They ranked in the top 8 in an Olympic games, World championship, and world cup in 1977-1981.
    An athlete will get 20 points an Olympic gold medal and 14 for being first in WC or world cup.
    As athletes in the 80' have two major championships less than those since 1991 the scoring method will create a biased towards the more recent athletes. In order to solve this problem I created "virtual championship" in which athletes were getting score based on their performance in the year the virtual championship held and the previous two years. For example in 1985 no major championship held, thus athletes were ranked according to their performance in 1983 (WC) 1984 (OG) and their ranking in 1985. A Similar method was applied for athletes that their country boycotts the Moscow/LA Olympic.
    In the next three posts I will give the results for each event and overall.

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    Re: top 8 men in each event last 20 years

    Results (name, athlete, points)
    track
    100
    1. Carl Lewis USA 184
    2. Maurice Greene USA 115
    3. Linford Christie GBR 107
    4. Donovan Bailey CAN 68
    5. Ato Boldon TRI 63
    6. Frank Fredericks NAM 55
    7. Leroy Burrell USA 53
    8. Calvin Smith USA 49

    200
    Michael Johnson USA 120
    Frank Fredericks NAM 110
    Carl Lewis USA 79
    Ato Boldon TRI 64
    Calvin Smith USA 46
    K. Kedris GRE 44
    John Regis GBR 43
    Mike Marsh USA 41

    400
    Michael Johnson USA 194
    Harry Reynolds USA 93
    Antonio Pettigrew USA 57
    Steven Lewis USA 48
    Bert Cameron JAM 48
    Danny Everett USA 39
    Quincy Watts USA 37
    Tyree Washington USA 37

    110h
    Greg Foster USA 180
    Allen Johnson USA 177
    Colin Jackson GBR 144
    Roger Kingdom USA 97
    Mark McKoy CAN 67
    Anier Garcia CUB 63
    Marc Creer USA 59
    Tony Jarrett GBR 48

    400h
    Edwin Moses USA 246
    Harald Schmid FRG 102
    Samuel Matete ZAM 94
    Kevin Young USA 82
    Danny Harris USA 74
    Andre Phillips USA 73
    Stephane Diagana FRA 68
    Derrick Adkins USA 66


    800
    Wilson Kipketer DEN 121
    Sebastian Coe GBR 95
    Johny Gray USA 79
    Joaqim Cruz BRA 75
    Hezekiel Sepeng RSA 45
    Paul Ereng KEN 44
    Steve Cram GBR 39
    Jose Luis Barbosa BRA 38


    1500
    Hicham El Gourrouj MAR 159
    Noureddine Morcely ALG 136
    Steve Ovet GBR 80
    Sebastian Coe GBR 79
    Steve Cram GBR 77
    Feramin Cacho ESP 70
    Said Aouita MAR 53
    Abdi Bile SOM 44

    3000sc
    Moses Kiptanui KEN 123
    Bernard Barmasai KEN 60
    Henry Marsh USA 60
    Patrick Sang KEN 59
    Willson B. Kipketer KEN 49
    Buguslaw Maminsky POL 49
    Julios Kariuki KEN 46
    Peter Koech KEN 46

    5000
    Said Aouita MAR 86
    Haile Gebrselassie ETH 64
    Yobes Audieki KEN 54
    Dieter Bauman GER 52
    Daniel Koman KEN 48
    Salah Hissou MAR 45
    Ismael Kirui KEN 40
    Jhon Ngugi KEN 36


    10000
    Haile Gebrselassie ETH 140
    Paul Tergat KEN 79
    Richard Chelimo KEN 44
    Khalid Skah MAR 43
    Fernando Memede POR 41
    Salvetore Antibo ITA 41
    Arturo Barrios MEX 40
    Werner Schidlauer GER 39

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    • #3
      Re: top 8 men in each event last 20 years

      High Jump
      Javier Sotomayor CUB 191
      Peter Syoberg SWE 87
      Genadiy Avdeyenko URS 75
      Ditmar Megenburg GER 63
      Charles Austin USA 61
      Arthur Partika POL 60
      Vyacheslav Voronin RUS 54
      Hollis Conway USA 51

      Pole Vault
      Sergey Bubka URS 284
      Maxim Tarasov URS 107
      Rodion Gataulin URS 82
      Thierry Vigneron FRA 67
      Dimitry Markov AUS 56
      Jean Galfione FRA 46
      Jeff Hartwig USA 40
      Pierre Quinon FRA 38

      Long Jump
      Carl Lewis USA 262
      Ivan Pedroso CUB 151
      Larry Myricks USA 123
      Mike Powel USA 111
      James Beckford JAM 68
      Eric Walder USA 47
      Robert Emmiyan URS 34
      Jaime Jefferson CUB 29

      Triple Jump
      Jonathan Edwards GBR 153
      Mike Conley USA 133
      Khristo Markov BUL 75
      Kenny Harisson USA 71
      Yoelvis Quesada CUB 65
      Willie Banks USA 65
      Christian Olsson SWE 41
      Denis Kapustin URS 40

      Shot put
      Udo Beyer GDR 184
      John Godina USA 113
      Werner Gunter SUI 109
      Ulf Timmermann GDR 102
      Randy Barnes USA 96
      Allessandro Andrei ITA 51
      Adam Nelson USA 50
      Kevin Toth USA 47

      Discus throw
      Lars Riedel GER 183
      Jurgen Schult GDR 146
      Virjilihus Alekna LIT 100
      Luis Mariano Delis CUB 78
      Imrich Bugar TCH 75
      Roman Ubartas URS 56
      Tony Washington USA 48
      Vladimir Dubrovshchik RUS 35

      Hammer throw
      Yuriy Sedykh URS 200
      Sergey Litvinov URS 162
      Igor Astapkovich BLR 131
      Andrey Abduvaliyev TJK 101
      Igor Nikulin URS 62
      Heinz Weis FRG 60
      Tibor Gecek HUN 54
      Juri Tamm URS 54

      Javelin throw
      Jan Zelezny TCH 241
      Steve Backley GBR 96
      Detlef Michel GDR 74
      Seppo Rati FIN 67
      Sergey Markov RUS 63
      Aki Parviainen FIN 60
      Reymond Hecht GER 49
      Konstandinus Gatsiodis GRE 49

      Decathlon
      Dan O'Brien USA 131
      Daley Thompson GBR 112
      Tomas Dvorak TCH 103
      Erki Nool EST 66
      Torsten Voss GDR 60
      Roman Sebrele TCH 57
      Eduard Emelainen BLR 56
      Jurgen Hingsen FRG 51

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      • #4
        Re: top 8 men in each event last 20 years

        All time greats (one event per athlete)

        1 Sergey Bubka URS PV 284
        2 Carl Lewis USA LJ 262
        3 Edwin Moses USA 400h 246
        4 Jan Zelezny TCH JT 241
        5 Yuriy Sedykh URS HT 200
        6 Michael Johnson USA 400 194
        7 Javier Sotomayor CUB HJ 191
        8 Carl Lewis USA 100 184
        9 Udo Beyer GDR SP 184
        10 Lars Riedel GER DT 183
        11 Greg Foster USA 110h 180
        12 Allen Johnson USA 110h 177
        13 Sergey Litvinov URS HT 162
        14 Hicham El Gourrouj MAR 1500 159
        15 Haile Gebrselassie ETH 10000 156
        16 Jonathan Edwards GBR TJ 153
        17 Ivan Pedroso CUB LJ 151
        18 Jurgen Schult GDR DT 146
        19 Colin Jackson GBR 110h 144
        20 Noureddine Morcely ALG 1500 136

        Note that this list is not trying to determined who is the best athlete in the last 20 years, but which athlete was the most dominante in his event.

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        • #5
          Re: top 8 men in each event last 20 years

          Who's using my elven name to post?!!!

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          • #6
            Re: top 8 men in each event last 20 years

            Now for the women !!

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              Re: top 8 men in each event last 20 years

              Triple Jump
              Jonathan Edwards GBR 153
              Mike Conley USA 133
              Khristo Markov BUL 75
              Kenny Harisson USA 71
              Yoelvis Quesada CUB 65
              Willie Banks USA 65
              Christian Olsson SWE 41
              Denis Kapustin URS 40

              off of just the rankings and the three golds, Saneyev has 180 points (without any points from WC's)

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              • #8
                Re: top 8 men in each event last 20 years

                off of just the rankings
                >and the three golds, Saneyev has 180 points (without any points from WC's)






                Methinks you forgot to read the name of this thread.

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                • #9
                  Anyone got the energy to updates these?

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                  • #10
                    I'd be curious to know how high Allen Johnson, ElG & Geb moved up since '04

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                    • #11
                      Personally, I think anyone who has any interest in a sport should have a go at doing a ranking list at least once. Even if the only thing they get out of it is the discovery that it is actually very hard to get it right.

                      Originally posted by olorin
                      While many posters view their opinion on the subject, none explain the criteria according to which athletes were ranked
                      So you're obviously not going to do that, are you? You are going to explain your criteria so that we know how you've ranked them. Well done.

                      Originally posted by olorin
                      I have tried to create a scoring method that will ranked athletes according to their performance.
                      So far, so good. Ranking athletes by their shoe size would be just silly. Ranking them by their performance seems a good thing to do.

                      Originally posted by olorin
                      The method is ranking athletes according to two major criteria: Annual ranking according to time/mark, and success in major championship.
                      Things just keep getting better.

                      Originally posted by olorin
                      I do not take into account the level of performance
                      No, why should you. After all, their level of performance is just so passe isn't it. We can't measure performance by its level, obviously not. So, what exactly are your reasons for not measuring these athletes by their performance?

                      Originally posted by olorin
                      it is the hardest to formulized,
                      Oh, it's too hard to do it properly so we do it some other way instead. Got you. Any other reasons?

                      Originally posted by olorin
                      the level of performance is sadly not only influenced by the athlete's ability..
                      So the athlete's ability affects his level of performance. That is sad. I had just never realised that before. You mean that some people are able to do things that other people can't do, and it would just be so totally unfair (and sad) to measure their performance at this thing that they are good at, so we rank them, as athletes, by something else instead. Right. Got you?!?

                      Is there anything else we ought to know?

                      Originally posted by olorin
                      I created "virtual championship" in which athletes were getting score based on their performance..
                      Right?!? So, having decided not to rank athletes based on their level of performance, because that would be both sad, and hard, you decide instead to rank them based on their virtual performance in races that never actually happened.

                      I'm so glad you explained that for us.


                      Martin
                      the baton is meant to be passed on

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                      • #12
                        Fascinating compilation! Must have taken you ages!
                        I think it is great the way you have come up with a method that tries to compensate for the advantage of athletes since '91, having World Champs every 2 years, and especially pleased with the inclusion of the first 3 World Cups.
                        However, from the criteria you give at the top, I take it that Olympic, World (& Cup) silver and bronze medallists don't get points!? If this is the case, then I think that is something worth considering. Also, while I don't always agree with the yearly rankings published by T&FN, I think it would be a fairer indication of an athlete's season if this was included as well as ranking through time alone. Thus in 1980 Coe was only 4th fastest for the season, but won the Olympic title and the 2nd most important (and easily the most "loaded" field) race in Zurich. He shouldn't be seen as anything less than 2nd best that year; Ovett was ranked 1st although ironically he was ranked behind Coe in the AW UK rankings.
                        I'm sure there are many other examples of athletes not necessarily producing the fastest time in any season (especially in the middle and long distance events) but winning the most important races; which might be at the European Champs (and thus not included in your points criteria). I apologise that the Coe example is the first one I can think of.
                        Of course any ranking system is going to be criticised by some people. I remember that Mel Watman produced a similar list in 2007 with similar criteria. He actually gave points for number of world records set and longevity of records, which I agree with, but didn't include World Cup results and didn't compensate for the fact that World Champs occur every 2 years since '91, which I didn't agree with!
                        I also think that when compiling an overall list, points collected in more than one events should be included.
                        Great work, that I'm sure will lead to endless debates. Thanks! :0)

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