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    This is not a trivia question.. it's an inquiry:

    All the talk of the "old" Madison Square Garden and indoor track in the "old days" got me to thinking half-remembering a short-lived small track group, in the 1950's, called The Grand Street Boys. Think it had some big hitters, all black. NYAC was all white of course and I don't know if the NY Pioneers were around yet. Any NY old timers that can add information about The Grand Street Boys ?

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    How does a relay team with Herb McKenley, andy Stanfield, George Rhode, and Mal Whitfield sound? That was the Grand Street Boys team for a season or two back in the early '50's.

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    • #3
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      Rhoden, not Rhode. Typo. Sorry.

      (Rhods is an island, and we know that no man is an island.)

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        now THAT'S what I would call a relay team! They were GRAND all right.

        Thanks for the info. I would bet they set, or could have set, an indoor WR in the mile relay without hardly trying..any info on that ?

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          >Thanks for the info. I would bet they set, or could have set, an indoor WR in the mile relay without hardly trying..any info on that ?<

          I think they did, but the details are more than 50 years old and is buried too far in the recesses of my brain to retrieve easily. I can look it up when I get home. (But then again, you probably can too.)

          I do remember seeing them in the old Garden. They were very, very impressive. Whitfield was the greatest!

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            >>Thanks for the info. I would bet they set, or could have set, an indoor WR in
            >the mile relay without hardly trying..any info on that ?<

            I think they did,
            >but the details are more than 50 years old and is buried too far in the
            >recesses of my brain to retrieve easily. I can look it up when I get home.
            >(But then again, you probably can too.)

            I do remember seeing them in the
            >old Garden. They were very, very impressive. Whitfield was the greatest!

            you're jogging my own memory ever-so-slightly.... I've got a 3:14-plus IWR rattling around in my head.....

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            • #7
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              First sub-3:20 indoors is 3:17.8 by Penn in '31 (our very own Bill Carr anchoring!). From there through end of '50s:

              3:17.2 Georgetown '42
              3:16.9 New York Pioneers '57
              3:16.0 Villanova '57
              3:15.7 New York Pioneers '57

              The last two were made on the same day, March 16; Villanova in Chicago, NYPC in NYC.

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                >First sub-3:20 indoors is 3:17.8 by Penn in '31 (our very own Bill Carr
                >anchoring!). From there through end of '50s:

                3:17.2 Georgetown '42
                3:16.9
                >New York Pioneers '57
                3:16.0 Villanova '57
                3:15.7 New York Pioneers
                >'57

                The last two were made on the same day, March 16; Villanova in Chicago,
                >NYPC in NYC.

                >First sub-3:20 indoors is 3:17.8 by Penn in '31 (our very own Bill Carr
                >anchoring!). From there through end of '50s:

                3:17.2 Georgetown '42
                3:16.9
                >New York Pioneers '57
                3:16.0 Villanova '57
                3:15.7 New York Pioneers
                >'57

                The last two were made on the same day, March 16; Villanova in Chicago,
                >NYPC in NYC.


                So I guess my Grand Street Boys' "3:14plus" is just a figment of my imagination, but I'll read up on it all just the same. Thanks for the input Garry.

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                  3:17.2 Georgetown '42
                  3:16.9
                  >New York Pioneers '57
                  3:16.0 Villanova '57
                  3:15.7 New York Pioneers
                  >'57
                  =========
                  Trying to guess some of the runners on these teams:
                  Georgetown--Hugh Short?
                  NYPC--Reggie Pearman (he stuck around a long time)
                  Villanova--Charlie Jenkins anchor, Charlie Stead?, Ron Delany (surprisingly ran a leg on mile relays with some frequency)?, Ed Collymore?

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                  • #10
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                    >3:17.2 Georgetown '42
                    3:16.9
                    >New York Pioneers '57
                    3:16.0 Villanova
                    >'57
                    3:15.7 New York Pioneers
                    >'57
                    =========
                    Trying to guess some of the
                    >runners on these teams:
                    Georgetown--Hugh Short?
                    NYPC--Reggie Pearman (he
                    >stuck around a long time)
                    Villanova--Charlie Jenkins anchor, Charlie Stead?,
                    >Ron Delany (surprisingly ran a leg on mile relays with some frequency)?, Ed
                    >Collymore?

                    Hey Satch, do you perhaps know any of those 50's NY Pioneer guys ? ( And do not say Dick Whitman, he was in the 60's. And THAT last name is a trivia name for anyone else out there other than Satch. )

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                    • #11
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                      >>So I guess my Grand Street Boys' "3:14plus" is just a figment of my imagination,<

                      I'm not so sure. On March 21, 1953, the GSB ran 3:14.4 in Buffalo. I think it was recognized by the AAU at that time. It obviously couldn't have been an American Record because two of the legs were Jamaicans. And it couldn't have been a World Record because they had no World Indoor Records at the time. (And it couldn't today because of the mixed citizenship.) But it did happen. (No, I wasn't there.)

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                      • #12
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                        >>>So I guess my Grand Street Boys' "3:14plus" is just a figment of my
                        >imagination,<

                        I'm not so sure. On March 21, 1953, the GSB ran 3:14.4 in
                        >Buffalo. I think it was recognized by the AAU at that time. It obviously
                        >couldn't have been an American Record because two of the legs were Jamaicans.
                        >And it couldn't have been a World Record because they had no World Indoor
                        >Records at the time. (And it couldn't today because of the mixed
                        >citizenship.) But it did happen. (No, I wasn't there.)

                        hey thanks, that's great info, maybe I still have a brain after all. Thanks again.

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                          Sorry for misleading you with my brainfart; didn't even stop to think that if I looked in an IAAF publication it would list only the "acceptable" WRs.

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                            I think CHAS, STEAD WAS ALSO GOOD HJER . Collymore was great 2oo guy ,think NCAA champ.STAR for NOVA was FRANK BUDD.

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                              I remember GSB's Charlie Mays - and his close(1"?) foul of c.28'3 at '68 OG. Anyone recall if that jump was before Beamon's? If so, musta been frustrating to be so close being history's first 28-footer (especially since the rest of his LJ career was 'real good' but never 'historic'. And he was about 5'9? or less?

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