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  • We saw an NCAA....

    ...guy win the Olympic 100m silver medal. That got me thinking about the NCAA. A little update....

    All Time NCAA 4x1

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    1.Clemson...Dwight Thomas..Michael Green..Shawn Crawford..Travis Padgett
    2.USC...Lennox Miller..James Sanford..Don Quarrie..Clancy Edwards
    3.TCU...Jon Drummond..Michael Frater..Kim Collins..Ray Stewart
    4.Houston...Stanley Floyd..Leroy Burrell..Joe DeLoach..Carl Lewis
    5.LSU...Trindon Holliday..Glenroy Gilbert..Xavier Carter..Richard Thompson
    6.UCLA...Mike Marsh..Ato Boldon..Henry Thomas..Warren Edmonson
    7.Tenn...Leonard Scott...Justin Gatlin...Sam Graddy...Terry Scott
    8.Florida...John Capel...Bernard Williams...Dennis Mitchell...Aaron Armstrong
    9.UTEP...Jerome Deal...Olapade Adenikin...Oba Thompson...Churandy Martina
    10.Arkansas...J-Mee Samuels...Wallace Spearmon...Tyson Gay...Vincent Henderson

    "B"

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    1.SJS...Ronnie Ray Smith..John Carlos..Ray Norton..Tommie Smith
    2.Texas Southern...Henry Neal..Robert Taylor..Renaldo Dawson..Jimmy Hines
    3.Texas A&M...Andre Cason..Rod Richardson...Floyd Heard..Curtis Dickey
    4.Cal...Leamon King...Isacc Curtis..Hal Davis..Eddie Hart
    5.Norfolk...Tim Montgomery...Brian Lewis...Raymond Clay..Steve Riddick
    6.Auburn...Stanley Floyd..Marc Burns..Coby Miller..Harvey Clance
    7.Texas...Tony Jones...Jamaal Charles..Brenden Christian..Johnny Jones
    8.South Carolina...Terrence Trammell...Andre Totten...Rodney Martin...Leroy Dixon
    9.Abilene Christian...Mickey Grimes...Mark Witherspoon...Bobby Morrow..Chris Van Wyk
    10.Arizona St...Marcus Brunson...Dwight Phillips...Henry Carr...Ron Brown

  • #2
    Texas, I always appreciate your lists and am in awe of your knowledge of the sprints but please tell us you have to look this stuff up.

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    • #3
      If he looked it up, the names would all be spelled correctly.

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      • #4
        lists .... saved on computer

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        • #5
          Originally posted by no one
          lists .... saved on computer
          Yeah, but compiling the lists......

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          • #6
            Originally posted by lonewolf
            Texas, I always appreciate your lists and am in awe of your knowledge of the sprints but please tell us you have to look this stuff up.
            I've been keeping index cards on schools with two athletes who meet this criteria.....

            100...9.4/10.29
            200...20.99
            400..45.99
            110's...13.99
            long jump...over 25 feet
            plus two relayers.

            Started doing that around 1968. Constantly upgrading, especially in the mighty SEC. That's where all that comes from. I have 55 schools that can meet the criteria. Then there are schools like Florida A&M who lack 400m guys, so they are in waiting. Grambling has a flock of sprinters but nothing else. South Carolina being my latest addition.

            Take LSU for instance. From guys like Revey Scott, Efrem Coley, Fabian Muyaba to Trindon Holliday, Xavier Carter and Richard Thompson. Then you get to Arkansas and there are the Spearmons running the 200m..ha! The oldest athlete listed would be Jesse Owens. Yep he's still long jumping for the Buckeyes. It will be a sad day when I have to wave good bye to Jesse Owens.Yes I know both Joe Greene/ Chris Sanders have superior jumps. So Greene is there. Sanders can also run a 10.2m so I moved him to the 100m, least I could do for old Jesse 8-)

            Still waiting for a couple sub 14.00 hurdlers for Jackson State.

            Now you take the Colorado card vs the Stanford card. Yep...dual meet! So what school would win a.... ah...nationals? Care to take a guess?

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            • #7
              I didn't know floyd ran for both auburn and houston.

              And what about alabama, emmit king, calvin smith, james mallard and throw in chauncey harris ( I had to look him up )

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Kishan Gill
                I didn't know floyd ran for both auburn and houston.

                And what about alabama, emmit king, calvin smith, james mallard and throw in chauncey harris ( I had to look him up )
                Floyd started off at Auburn, then transferred to Houston. In 1980 he was the top ranked 100m man even ahead of Olympic champ Allan Wells.

                Yes I agree....where's Alabama? I'll add a "C" & "D" when I have time.

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                • #9
                  By virtue of 10.03 at provos altitude in the olympic trials.
                  Are you sure Floyd didn't quit college and join houston TC.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kishan Gill
                    By virtue of 10.03 at provos altitude in the olympic trials.
                    Are you sure Floyd didn't quit college and join houston TC.

                    I saw him run while he was at Houston.

                    Here ya go....

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                    Stanley Floyd (born June 23, 1961) is a retired track and field sprinter from the United States, best known for setting the 1980 second best world's best year performance in the men's 100 metres. He did so on 1980-05-24 at a meet in Austin, Texas, clocking 10.07. Floyd was the 1980 US champion in the men's 100 metres.

                    Floyd attended the University of Houston.[1]

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Texas
                      I've been keeping index cards on schools with two athletes who meet this criteria.....

                      100...9.4/10.29
                      200...20.99
                      400..45.99
                      110's...13.99
                      long jump...over 25 feet
                      plus two relayers.

                      Started doing that around 1968...
                      In the UK, we have precisely 5 men all-time who have beat 10.29, and there are only two British sprinters ever with a legal 100y time of 9.4 or better. You have 55 schools who each have two men that good.

                      In the 200m we have 96 men who qualify.
                      In the 400m we have 47 men who qualify.
                      In the 110mH we have 5 men who qualify.
                      In the LJ we have 64 men who qualify.

                      In 1968, as a way of picking a time with which to track schools athletes you chose a time that is 95% of the World Record!

                      I am really curious to know how you picked those particular criteria?

                      Martin
                      the baton is meant to be passed on

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cottonshirt
                        Originally posted by Texas
                        I've been keeping index cards on schools with two athletes who meet this criteria.....

                        100...9.4/10.29
                        200...20.99
                        400..45.99
                        110's...13.99
                        long jump...over 25 feet
                        plus two relayers.

                        Started doing that around 1968...
                        In the UK, we have precisely 5 men all-time who have beat 10.29, and there are only two British sprinters ever with a legal 100y time of 9.4 or better. You have 55 schools who each have two men that good.

                        In the 200m we have 96 men who qualify.
                        In the 400m we have 47 men who qualify.
                        In the 110mH we have 5 men who qualify.
                        In the LJ we have 64 men who qualify.

                        In 1968, as a way of picking a time with which to track schools athletes you chose a time that is 95% of the World Record!

                        I am really curious to know how you picked those particular criteria?

                        Martin
                        Prior to auto timing I used 9.4, I also go with what "alumni" produced. Back in the beginning I only had a few schools that made the grade. USC and UCLA being there from the start.

                        Here's San Jose State

                        Dennis Johnson
                        Ray Norton
                        Bobby Poynter
                        Ronnie Ray Smith
                        Wayne Herman
                        Tommie Smith
                        John Carlos
                        Kirk Clayton
                        Bill Gaines

                        All 9.4 or faster, all prior to 1970.

                        USC had....

                        Frank Wykoff
                        Mel Patton
                        Lennox Miller
                        Payton Jordan

                        All 9.4 or faster, all prior to 1970.

                        Schools from the SEC/SWC didn't start taking off until the mid 70's. Schools like Grambling/Texas Southern always had sprinters. Grambling having Olympians Stone Johnson in 60 and Richard Stebbins in 64. TSU had Jimmy Hines, Clyde Duncan, Charlie Frazier and Homer Jones all 9.4 or faster, all prior to 70. UCLA had Hal Busby, Norm Jackson and Tom Jones all at 9.4 or faster there at the same time. So it went.

                        Check out Southern U

                        Rodney Milburn...13.2
                        Willie Davenport....13.3
                        Brian Johnson....27-4/10.2
                        Florenzo Holmes...25-7
                        George Anderson...9.3
                        John George...10.2
                        Theron Lewis...45.0
                        Robert Wilson...45.3
                        Donald Winey...20.5/45.1r
                        Oliver Ford...20.5/9.3
                        relayer...Kevin Jefferson...44.9r

                        4x1...John George..Brian Johnson..Oliver Ford..George Anderson
                        4x4...Robert Wilson..Donald Winey..Kevin Jefferson...Theron Lewis

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                        • #13
                          Well, you didn't actually say how you came to pick those numbers, but it has become obvious that when you say school you do not mean what I mean when I say school.

                          Thanks for clearing that one up.

                          Martin
                          the baton is meant to be passed on

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Cottonshirt
                            Well, you didn't actually say how you came to pick those numbers, but it has become obvious that when you say school you do not mean what I mean when I say school.

                            Thanks for clearing that one up.

                            Martin
                            I picked those numbers because that's what it took to be competitive on the national stage. Not sure I follow you ...school? I'm talking a USA college/University. What's a ..school..to you?

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                            • #15
                              Texas/Brutal,

                              I'm completing my own list of all of the sub-10 guys who attended US schools. I have the following guys as the only sub-10s not to have competed for a US school. See any errors here?

                              Asafa Powell
                              Donovan Bailey
                              Linford Christie
                              Francis Obikwelu
                              Bruny Surin (LSU?)
                              Seun Ogunkoya
                              Dwain Chambers
                              Deji Aliu
                              Olusoji Fasuba
                              Abdul Aziz Zakari
                              Uchenna Emedolu
                              Samuel Francis
                              Jason Gardener
                              Silvio Leonard
                              Ronald Pognon


                              Also, did any of these guys compete for any schools other than their 4-year (JCs or previous 4-years)?
                              Fredericks
                              Crawford
                              D. Ezinwa
                              Calvin Smith
                              O. Adeniken
                              Martina
                              Oba Thompson
                              D. Effiong
                              Myles-Mills
                              Ray Stewart
                              Vincent Henderson
                              Joshua Johnson
                              Mel Lattany
                              Rodney Martin

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