NCAA 4x1

[Texas]

Like to keep it current. Now before somebody..."an 11 lane track????????"....keep in mind......fantasy.

If a school could run it's best relay, it would look like....

lane

1.USC...Lennox Miller..James Sanford..Don Quarrie..Clancy Edwards
2.Clemson...Dwight Thomas..Michael Green..Shawn Crawford..Travis Padgett
3.UCLA...Mike Marsh..Ato Boldon..Henry Thomas..Warren Edmonson
4.Houston...Kirk Baptiste..Leroy Burrell..Joe DeLoach..Carl Lewis
5.TCU...Jon Drummond...Kim Collins..Doc Patton..Ray Stewart
6.Auburn...Stanley Floyd..Marc Burns..Coby Miller..Harvey Glance
7.LSU...Trindon Holliday..Glenroy Gilbert...Xavier Carter..Richard Thompson
8.Florida...John Capel..Bernard Williams..Dennis Mitchell..Jeff Demps
9.Arkansas...J-Mee Samuels..Wallace Spearmon..Vincent Henderson..Tyson Gay
10.Tennessee...Leonard Scott..Justin Gatlin..Sam Graddy..Willie Gault (Reggie Jones?)
11.UTEP...Olapade Adeniken..Churandy Martina..Oba Thompson..Steve Williams

All Time HBCU 4X1

lane

1.Florida A&M...Charles Hopkins..Rey Robinson..Chris Hargrett...Bob Hayes
2.NCC...Larry Black..Jason Smoots...Edwin Roberts..Julius Sang
3.Southern U...John George..Brian Johnson..Oliver Ford..George Anderson
4.Norfolk St...Brian Lewis...Tim Montgomery..Raymon Clay..Steve Riddick
5.Texas Southern...Henry Neal..Robert Taylor..Renaldo Dawson..Jimmy Hines
6.Grambling..Robert Woods...Jack Phillips..Richard Stebbins...Stone Johnson
7.Jackson St...Dennis Trott...Earl Thomas..Tommie Dennis...Morris Jackson
8.Prairie View...Willie Dearion..Eric Jones...Lewis Turner...Jeff Williams
9.St. Augustine...Randall Evans...Terrell Carpenter...Kendall Stevens..Ken Brokenburr
10.Alcorn...Jerry Sims...Alfred McCullough..Larry Brown..Willie McGee


Deserve mention...

lane

1.Arizona St...Charles Wells..Marcus Brunson..Ron Brown..Henry Carr
2.Alabama..Emmitt King..Thomas Whatley..James Mallard..Calvin Smith
3.SJS..Ronnie Ray Smith..John Carlos..Ray Norton..Tommie Smith
4.ACU..Mickey Grimes..Mark Witherspoon..Chris Van Wyk..Bobby Morrow
5.Cal..Leamon King..Isacc Curtis..Eddie Hart..Hal Davis
6.Florida St..Jonathan Carter..Mike Roberson..Don Merrick..Walter Dix
7.Texas A&M...Andre Cason..Rod Richardson..Floyd Heard..Curtis Dickey
8.Texas...Tony Jones..Jamaal Charles..Brenden Christian..Johnny Jones
9.Fresno St..Darel Newman..Terry Bowen..Chris Berrian...Mike Agostini
10.South Carolina..Terrence Trammell...Andre Totten..Rodney Martin...Leroy
Dixon
11.BYU...L.Myles Mills...Kenneth Andam..Oluyemi Kayode...Frankie Fredericks

Now add...

lane

1.Arizona...Gus Brisco...Dwayne Strozier..Dwayne Evans..Michael Bates
2.Baylor...Bruce Davis..Lee Miles..Michael Johnson..Jacob Norman
3.Colorado..George Daneils..Ohene Kari Kari..Devlon Dunn..Cliff Branch
4.Illinois...Willie Williams..Albert Jones..Lester Washington..Herb McKenley
5.Kansas..Mickey Matthews..Leo Bookman..Mark Lutz..Charles Tidwell
6.Miss St..Steve Mullings..Micah Davis..Aki Bradley..Lorenzo Daneil
7.Oregon...Roscoe Cook..Sammie Parker..Don Coleman..Harry Jerome
8.Washington...Sterling Hinds..Bernie Jackson..J' Warren Hooker..LaNoris Marshall
9.Ohio St..Jimmy Lee Harris..Chris Sanders..Chris Nelloms..Jesse Owens
10.Indiana...Larry Highbaugh...Mike McFarland..Albert Robinson..Mike Goodrich

What the heck...

lane

1.Stanford..Darrin Nelson..Clyde Jeffreys..Larry Questad..Chuck Francis
2.CPSLO..Bobby Turner..Cecil Turner..Karron Conwright..Clancy Edwards
3.Eastern Michigan...Hayes Jones..Tiberia Patterson..Eugene Thomas..Hasley Crawford
4.Georgia..Herschel Walker...Manley Waller..Stanley Blaylock..Mel Lattany
5.Kansas St..Dean Williams..Terence Newman..Thane Baker..Ray Hill
6.Oklahoma...DeBryan Blanton..Anthony Watson..David Oaks..William Snoddy
7.Villanova...Paul Drayton..Carlton Young..Ed Collymore..Frank Budd
8.WSU...Bennie Chatman..Anthony Buchanon..Jay McSwain..Norbet Payton
9.SMU...Gene Pouncy..John Roderick..Joe Pouncy..Roy Martin
10.Michigan St...Herb Washington..Bob Moreland..Eliott Tabron..Marshall Dill

NFL

lane

1.Chiefs...Ken Thomas..Jamaal Charles..Michael Bennett..Stone Johnson
2.Bears...Cecil Turner..Curtis Conway..Virgil Livers..Willie Gault
3.Raiders...Sam Graddy..Ron Brown..James Jett..Alvis Whitted
4.Giants..Richmond Flowers..Clarence Childs..Homer Jones..Henry Carr
5.Packers..Phil Epps..Travis Williams..Mike Miller..Steve Odom
6.Cowboys..Herschel Walker..Terence Newman..Alexander Wright..Bob Hayes
7.Niners..Renaldo Nehemiah..James Owens..Deion Sanders..Ray Norton
8.Eagles...Cyril Pinder..Wilbert Montgomery..Harold Jackson..Frank Budd
9.Oilers..Tony Jones..Herkie Walls..Ken Burrough..Travis Hannah
10.Dolphins...Mark Duper..John Roderick..Paul Warfield..Jimmy Hines
11.Jets...Wesley Walker..Rod Jones..Harlan Davis..Johnny Jones

[triple50]

WSU - Anthony Buchanon, Bennie Chatman, James Mcswain, Anson Henry

[Mighty Favog]

Re: NCAA 4x1

...NFL

lane 6.Cowboys..Herschel Walker..Terence Newman..Alexander Wright..Bob Hayes

As a world-ranked high hurdler way back in '62, you've got to figure Mel Renfro belongs here. That makes the relay not too shabby at actual football, either.

[Texas]

WSU - Anthony Buchanon, Bennie Chatman, James Mcswain, Anson Henry

I have them but with Norbert Payton on anchor. I agree that Henry is a better choice. Cool!

[Texas]

Re: NCAA 4x1

...NFL

lane 6.Cowboys..Herschel Walker..Terence Newman..Alexander Wright..Bob Hayes

As a world-ranked high hurdler way back in '62, you've got to figure Mel Renfro belongs here. That makes the relay not too shabby at actual football, either.

Renfro was a 13.7/25-10/9.6 guy. That 9.6 just won't cut here in against those I mentioned. Mel was a stand out running back while at Oregon not a DB.

[paulthefan]

Some really great memories flash before us looking at those lists. Can not possibly sort out the top 5 but it seems certain that SJS and USC along with UCLA are in that final... hey that means 3 out of 8 guaranteed lanes for the golden state... hmm..

[Texas]

Some really great memories flash before us looking at those lists. Can not possibly sort out the top 5 but it seems certain that SJS and USC along with UCLA are in that final... hey that means 3 out of 8 guaranteed lanes for the golden state... hmm..

While there has never been anything like "Speed City" I do doubt the Spartans could deal with any of those mentioned in my first race.

I just can't help it...

Ray Norton
Dennis Johnson
Bobby Poynter
Wayne Herman
Tommie Smith
Lee Evans
Kirk Clayton
Sam Davis
Bob Talmadge
Tim Knowles
Ben Griffen
John Carlos
Ken Thomas
Ron Whitaker
Vince Breddell
Ronnie Ray Smith
Bill Gaines

Amazing!

[bijanc]

NFL Relays

NFL

lane

1.Chiefs...Ken Thomas..Jamaal Charles..Michael Bennett..Stone Johnson
2.Bears...Cecil Turner..Curtis Conway..Virgil Livers..Willie Gault
3.Raiders...Sam Graddy..Ron Brown..James Jett..Alvis Whitted
4.Giants..Richmond Flowers..Clarence Childs..Homer Jones..Henry Carr
5.Packers..Phil Epps..Travis Williams..Mike Miller..Steve Odom
6.Cowboys..Herschel Walker..Terence Newman..Alexander Wright..Bob Hayes
7.Niners..Renaldo Nehemiah..James Owens..Deion Sanders..Ray Norton
8.Eagles...Cyril Pinder..Wilbert Montgomery..Harold Jackson..Frank Budd
9.Oilers..Tony Jones..Herkie Walls..Ken Burrough..Travis Hannah
10.Dolphins...Mark Duper..John Roderick..Paul Warfield..Jimmy Hines
11.Jets...Wesley Walker..Rod Jones..Harlan Davis..Johnny Jones

Packers- James Lofton
Bears- J.C. Caroline or Ron Copeland
Rams- Ron Brown to Ollie Matson to Ron Jessie to Travis Williams
Washington- Danny Buggs to Les Duncan to Bobby Mitchell to Darrell Green

[Texas]

Packers- James Lofton
Bears- J.C. Caroline or Ron Copeland
Rams- Ron Brown to Ollie Matson to Ron Jessie to Travis Williams
Washington- Danny Buggs to Les Duncan to Bobby Mitchell to Darrell Green

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Lofton was by far a better long jumper. He wouldn't make the Packer 4x1 team.

Caroline was no great speedster and Copeland was a hurdler with so so speed.

The Rams.....

Travis Williams-Bob Boyd-Ron Brown-Ollie Matson

When did Leslie "Speedy" Duncan play for the Redskins?

[bijanc]

Sppedy Duncan

When George Allen took over as head coach:

Leslie Herbert Duncan also known as "Speedy Duncan" (born August 10, 1942 in Tuscaloosa, Alabama) is a former American football cornerback who played college football at Jackson State University, and then played professional football.

Duncan played with the American Football League San Diego Chargers from 1964 through 1969, and the NFL's Chargers in 1970 and Washington Redskins from 1971 through 1974. He was an AFL All-Star in 1965, 1966, and 1967 and an AFC-NFC Pro Bowler in 1971. Duncan now resides in Stockton, California. He previously worked at Webster Middle School, and is currently employed with Harrison Elementary School and other local elementary schools.

[bijanc]

Les Duncan

Led his conference while w/ Washington:

1971
Les (Speedy) Duncan, Washington, NFC, 22 punt returns, 10.6 yds. per return, long 33.

NFL record, highest kick return avg., Pro Bowl: career (min. 4 returns)

35.00 Les "Speedy" Duncan, Washington

As for Ron Copeland, he was ranked the third best 110 high hurdler in the US by TAF News in 1966 behind Willie Davenport and Don Shy (later NFL), (and ahead of Earl McCullogh)- so he was pretty quick. A '68 Olympian too. The mag rates him 5th in the world in '67 (ahead of Erv Hall) and 4th in '66 (in front of McCullough and Tommie Lee White).

[dj]

Re: Les Duncan

Led his conference while w/ Washington:

1971
Les (Speedy) Duncan, Washington, NFC, 22 punt returns, 10.6 yds. per return, long 33.

NFL record, highest kick return avg., Pro Bowl: career (min. 4 returns)

35.00 Les "Speedy" Duncan, Washington

As for Ron Copeland, he was ranked the third best 110 high hurdler in the US by TAF News in 1966 behind Willie Davenport and Don Shy (later NFL), (and ahead of Earl McCullogh)- so he was pretty quick. A '68 Olympian too. The mag rates him 5th in the world in '67 (ahead of Erv Hall) and 4th in '66 (in front of McCullough and Tommie Lee White).

1968 U.S. Olympic squad was Davenport, Hall and Leon Coleman.

[bijanc]

Bears 4 x 100

So give me Don Shy or Copeland rather than Virgil Livers or Curtis Conway on the Bears' squad.

[Texas]

Re: Les Duncan

Led his conference while w/ Washington:

1971
Les (Speedy) Duncan, Washington, NFC, 22 punt returns, 10.6 yds. per return, long 33.

NFL record, highest kick return avg., Pro Bowl: career (min. 4 returns)

35.00 Les "Speedy" Duncan, Washington

As for Ron Copeland, he was ranked the third best 110 high hurdler in the US by TAF News in 1966 behind Willie Davenport and Don Shy (later NFL), (and ahead of Earl McCullogh)- so he was pretty quick. A '68 Olympian too. The mag rates him 5th in the world in '67 (ahead of Erv Hall) and 4th in '66 (in front of McCullough and Tommie Lee White).

I was in the Navy then, that explains it. Always think of Duncan as a Charger.

All hurdlers are pretty quick. Copeland did lead off a pretty solid UCLA 4x1 of himself, Norm Jackson, Tom Jones and Hal Busby. I do doubt he was a serious burner however.

[Texas]

Re: Bears 4 x 100

So give me Don Shy or Copeland rather than Virgil Livers or Curtis Conway on the Bears' squad.

Don Shy was a 13.4 guy out of San Diego St. Livers ran a 9.5 while at Western Michigan and Conway was a 10.2ish guy at USC. Trust me neither Shy or Copeland had that kind of speed.