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  • Pego
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    <The only defense for Gohr is that she was forced to take the steroids>

    ...and she and the others were kicking and screaming in protest. Oh, p'lease!

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  • eldrick
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    ><<of relevance to this topic is Footnote 3, at the bottom of the
    >page>>

    "During the 1975 European Junior Championships in Athens, Greece,
    >the 17-year-old rising 100-m sprint star, Marlies Oelsner, later known as
    >Marlies Göhr, a world-record holder and Olympic gold medal winner, tested
    >positive for androgenic steroids but the result was not published by the
    >European Association."

    Thanks Eldrick for pointing out what everyone else
    >has either ignored or not bothered to read. Since Ashford never failed a drug
    >test, this whole discussion takes on another dimension, although doubtless it
    >will not matter to some people. At least there is no proof that Ashford used
    >drugs, and therefore we may be comparing 2 athletes who had a rivalry only
    >because one of them used drugs to make a race where there would otherwise have
    >been nothing but a sound trouncing every time they met.

    no need to thank me jb,rather thank an excellent poster called six-of-staves who originally posted that on the IAAF BB. i'm just reposting it.
    it's a long & very demanding article outlining the doping regimes of the DDR girls - it needs an hour or so of full concentration to make some headway in summarising it - i'll try & see if i can find the time to do it (hopefully someone might beat me to the punch !)

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  • Track fan
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    The only defense for Gohr is that she was forced to take the steroids, and any western country athelete willing takes performance enhancing drugs.

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  • jberger
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    <<of relevance to this topic is Footnote 3, at the bottom of the page>>

    "During the 1975 European Junior Championships in Athens, Greece, the 17-year-old rising 100-m sprint star, Marlies Oelsner, later known as Marlies Göhr, a world-record holder and Olympic gold medal winner, tested positive for androgenic steroids but the result was not published by the European Association."

    Thanks Eldrick for pointing out what everyone else has either ignored or not bothered to read. Since Ashford never failed a drug test, this whole discussion takes on another dimension, although doubtless it will not matter to some people. At least there is no proof that Ashford used drugs, and therefore we may be comparing 2 athletes who had a rivalry only because one of them used drugs to make a race where there would otherwise have been nothing but a sound trouncing every time they met.

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  • Rob
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    ..

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  • eldrick
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    >Don't forget about Ian Campbell (AUS) being robbed of the TJ gold in
    >1980!!!

    d'oliveira was the one who got robbed !

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  • Kurt Francis
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    Don't forget about Ian Campbell (AUS) being robbed of the TJ gold in 1980!!!

    Kurt

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  • Track fan
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    Besides Gwen Torrence and the Kersee training crew I can't think of another female feud in track like that,they literally hated each other, the cat fight could have started on the cinders......

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  • Rog
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    ">>Rog

    Hello Rog...
    I mean, Andrea...
    I mean, Steve25...
    I mean,
    >Andrea_T...
    I mean, Becky..."

    ...What are you on about?

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  • HotDiggedyDog
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    .

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  • Rog
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    "Incidentally, Christine Lathan's 'injury' in the closing stages of the third leg of the 4x400m gave the race (and the WR) to the Soviets. This was the final straw..."

    - Rob, I may be reading too much into your contribution, but is there any significance behind the manner in which you emphasise the word 'injury' in the above sentence?

    Rog

    PS The Soviets may have won but they were still a little short of breaking the GDR's world record - 3:19.23 v 3:20.12.

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  • eldrick
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    before Ashford's sudden improvement
    >in 1979.


    Err...

    how about gohr's "sudden improvement" to 10.88 ???

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  • Rog
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    One point that has been missed here in the whole Gohr/Ashford debate is that Marlies Gohr was the first woman to run 100m in under 11 seconds with electrical timing - that is a barrier-breaking achievement that surely will not be exceeded, since I don't see any women breaking 10 seconds.

    Also she was undisputed world number one for two years before Ashford's sudden improvement in 1979. Indeed up to that point her greatest threat was the UK's Sonia Lannaman, whose career was effectively blighted by persistent injury. Had she had consistently good health I think it's possible Sonia could have been right up with Gohr and Ashford at the forefront of sprinting in the late 70s/early 80s.

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  • Rog
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    Rob,

    Do you have any more information about the "Soviet Scandal"? I thought there was even something funny about the lane draws - in the relays the GDR teams were all assigned outside lanes, well away from the Soviets, eg Gohr had lane 8 in the 100 well away from Kondratyeva, Wockel had lane 1 in the 200 with Bochina on the outside etc. Even in the men's 100, Allan Wells, who may or may not be your brother, was stuck out in lane 8 whilst the leading Soviet Aksinin and the Cuban Leonard were in the inside. I wondered whether this was an attempt to secure a Communist win of any nature combined with the realisation that it would take more than rigged lane draws and block slippage to enable the Soviets to win...

    I also found it a bit sad that most of those Soviet stars in Moscow performed out of their skin there, but failed to repeat that form ever again, eg Bochina, Komissova, Markin, virtually all their throwers. It seemed as if longlasting careers were sacrificed for the sake of the glory of success in Moscow.

    Rog

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  • OG2004
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    Gohr was forced to run in Rome '87, and despite the 10.89 in 1988, never truly recovered from her injuries. It was sad to see her run so moderately in Seoul.

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