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  • Walt Murphy
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    Originally posted by BillVol
    Couldn't resist, Walt. The splinters comment made me do it!
    Now that I've been "age-outed" (again), I'll admit to having run my first race at the Armory roughly 50 years ago as a high school freshman(and got my splinter soon after) . But I still sometimes act like I'm 22-23 :wink:

    One of my favorite memories was running the 1/4-leg on a DMR. Our team was lapped by the time I got the stick, so our anchor miler grabbed it from me after I had only run one lap. It was the fastest 440y split of my career!

    Another was watching a "handicap" 500y (I believe that was the distance) at an AAU development meet. Adelphi's Kevin Price was running from scratch and was chasing what seemed like at least 15 other runners who were scattered all over the track. Frustrated by a runner from Essex County College who appeared to elbow him every time he tried to pass, Price stopped dead in his tracks on the last lap, ran across the infield and threw a punch at his tormentor as he entered the backstretch. Only quick action by the coaches, Ron Bazil(Adelphi) and Russ Rogers (Essex) prevented an all-out brawl from taking place between the two teams, Indoor running at its exciting best!

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  • dj
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    Originally posted by wineturtle
    The 100 yds ran smackdown the center. you started back at the top of the ramp and ran to the concession end .You had about 8-10 yards to pick which door you ran thru because there was a wall in lanes 3456.

    I believe St Francis Games was the last meet to run the 100yds and I remember running flat was a big deal I believe high school 168 record is 9.8h
    Dave Myer, Berner, Massapequa St Francis Games 1972

    I am pretty sure a few AAU development meets thurs(?)nights ran it as a handicap event but I do not remember times.
    I think I ran an 10.7 to advance to semis in 1962 St Francis.
    Don't know how many more 9.8s were run in the Armory, but the first high school 9.8 was by Al Phillips of Montclair HS in New Jersey. He ran that at the NYU Interscholastics in 1958. Second in the race was current Seton Hall coach John Moon, of Linden HS (NJ).

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  • BillVol
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    Couldn't resist, Walt. The splinters comment made me do it!

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  • Walt Murphy
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    Originally posted by BillVol
    Originally posted by Walt Murphy
    There was never a more exciting race than an 880-relay on that flat wooden track. Probably responsible for more splinters than all other events combined
    Walt, I always figured you to be around 22,23 years old. But this post is dating you somewhat...
    Uhhh--my grandfather told me stories about those days

    Parts of the old wooden floor are still visible on the sides of the Armory. It's great to see kids' reactions when they're told that used to be the running surface.

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  • tandfman
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    Originally posted by BillVol
    Originally posted by Walt Murphy
    There was never a more exciting race than an 880-relay on that flat wooden track. Probably responsible for more splinters than all other events combined
    Walt, I always figured you to be around 22,23 years old. But this post is dating you somewhat...
    You haven't been paying attention.

    http://mb.trackandfieldnews.com/discuss ... hp?t=26581

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  • BillVol
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    Originally posted by Walt Murphy
    There was never a more exciting race than an 880-relay on that flat wooden track. Probably responsible for more splinters than all other events combined
    Walt, I always figured you to be around 22,23 years old. But this post is dating you somewhat...

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  • wineturtle
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    The 100 yds ran smackdown the center. you started back at the top of the ramp and ran to the concession end .You had about 8-10 yards to pick which door you ran thru because there was a wall in lanes 3456.

    I believe St Francis Games was the last meet to run the 100yds and I remember running flat was a big deal I believe high school 168 record is 9.8h
    Dave Myer, Berner, Massapequa St Francis Games 1972

    I am pretty sure a few AAU development meets thurs(?)nights ran it as a handicap event but I do not remember times.
    I think I ran an 10.7 to advance to semis in 1962 St Francis.

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  • CookyMonzta
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    Originally posted by elevenlaps
    You guys are all correct. The old Armory track was acually a hardwood floor delineated by a border measured at 220 yards or eight laps to the mile. A spill could result in some nasty splinters. The writer of the article on Norb Sander was confused--the banked board track--160 yards--was used in the meets in Madison Square Garden. Still there now, only it's Mondo surface, and still used only by the Millrose Games and the Colgate meet (January 30 and 31 this year).
    On the backstraight is an entryway that is about 20 yards deep, under the stands on the far side of the floor. That entryway plus the space on the infield was long enough to run 100y dashes back then. Once they came out of that entryway, they'd have another 70 to 80y to run on the infield straightaway. I wonder what the Armory record is for 100y, because I've never seen it posted, unless it's there and I never bothered to look..

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  • CookyMonzta
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    Originally posted by racewalker
    Originally posted by CookyMonzta
    [Aye. I ran for Brooklyn Tech 1980-84. The banked 200 track was installed at the end of 1998, sitting on top of a Mondo surfaced flat 200 track that was laid out in 1993. Under that, we still have the mildly splintered wood surface where a 220y oval was drawn out with yellow and/or white paint a very long time ago.
    Mildly splintered? In the early 1970's I took a fall at the first turn of a relay and came up looking like a porcupine. It was MAJORLY splintered.
    Ay! Obviously they smoothed it out since your last run there. I tripped and fell on it twice (1983 and '84), and hardly came up with so much as a toothpick. I was probably one of the lucky ones, because there were spots on the track that still had pin-sized splinters.

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  • lonewolf
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    dukehjsteve's odyssey reminds me of a similar and completly different experience I had circa 1952 when I was competing for Oklahoma State (nee Okla A&M.)
    I was attending a week long geology field camp in the Arbuckle Mountains, 120 miles south of Norman, Oklahoma, scrambling up and down "mountains", such as they are, sleeping on the ground and all that good stuff. The instructor. loyal Cowboy that he was, excused me on Saturday to compete against the hated Sooners in the annual OU/OAMC dual meet at OU.

    Hitchhiking was no big deal in those pre-interstate , pre- Billy Cook days, especially if you were wearing an OU or OkState letter jacket. Some one drove me to the hiway and I hitchhiked up Hwy 77 from Arbuckle to Norman, arriving in time for the afternoon meet where I did a full complement of sprints, relays and jumps.

    I do not recommend that as pre-meet routine but, miracle of miracles, that was the only time I ever defeated OU's South African Olympian long jumper, Neville Price. Admittedly, it was not because I PRed or anything dramatic, he just had a bad day

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  • dukehjsteve
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    My last appearance at a 168th Armory meet.... an all-comers in mid-December 63 or 64. Working my way home for Christmas from Duke, left a friend's house in suburban DC, dropped at Wash. National airport, take the Eastern Shuttle ( for $ 27) to LGA, then a taxi to Penn Station. Change into my uniform and sweats somewhere, then stash all my luggage and normal clothes in a locker there at Penn Station. With just the locker key and enough money for a few subway tokens, then take the 8th Ave. subway to 168th St. Afterwards, reverse the process back to 34th St/Penn Station, grab my gear, then finally the LIRR to home town Huntington. A long day !

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  • wineturtle
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    Next event :29 trial heats of the Novice 4x220relay

    Originally posted by Walt Murphy
    There was never a more exciting race than an 880-relay on that flat wooden track. Probably responsible for more splinters than all other events combined
    And hours and hours of them!!

    Starting those races undernearth the overhang made a .32 sound like a cannon... Instant Tinnitus

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  • Walt Murphy
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    There was never a more exciting race than an 880-relay on that flat wooden track. Probably responsible for more splinters than all other events combined

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  • measurer
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    Old Armory

    I ran on the old Armory Track in HS (67-70), later I coached teams there through 1978. Flat hardwood 220 yard track with plenty of splinters. I can still smell the Ben Gay!
    The present MSG Track is 11 laps to 1600 meters (145.45454m) - Mondo on wood with a steel frame. the sprint straights is rolled out Mondo on concrete.

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  • elevenlaps
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    You guys are all correct. The old Armory track was acually a hardwood floor delineated by a border measured at 220 yards or eight laps to the mile. A spill could result in some nasty splinters. The writer of the article on Norb Sander was confused--the banked board track--160 yards--was used in the meets in Madison Square Garden. Still there now, only it's Mondo surface, and still used only by the Millrose Games and the Colgate meet (January 30 and 31 this year).

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