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  • dukehjsteve
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    Twins separated at birth: Texas and Eldrick

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  • bijanc
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    My All-Time 4 x 200

    Lead: Tommie Smith

    Second: Carl Lewis

    Third: Michael Johnson

    Anchor: Usain Bolt

    (alt- Frankie Fredericks)

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  • bambam
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    Originally posted by Texas
    Originally posted by dukehjsteve
    Don't forget, ole Tex is the same guy that kicked Glenn Davis off his Ohio State mile relay team. :wink:
    So this should be my all time 100 meters?

    lane

    1.Bernie Wefers
    2.Lon Myers
    3.Charles Paddock
    4.Jesse Owens
    5.Ralph Metcalfe
    6.Archie Hahn
    7.Percy Williams
    8.Bobby Morrow
    No, but you think it should be just the all-time top 10 performer list as it exists at any moment. The only exception you seem to make for this is Bob Hayes, which is quite reasonable.

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  • Texas
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    Originally posted by dukehjsteve
    Don't forget, ole Tex is the same guy that kicked Glenn Davis off his Ohio State mile relay team. :wink:
    So this should be my all time 100 meters?

    lane

    1.Bernie Wefers
    2.Lon Myers
    3.Charles Paddock
    4.Jesse Owens
    5.Ralph Metcalfe
    6.Archie Hahn
    7.Percy Williams
    8.Bobby Morrow

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  • dukehjsteve
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    Don't forget, ole Tex is the same guy that kicked Glenn Davis off his Ohio State mile relay team. :wink:

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  • Texas
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    Originally posted by bambam
    Originally posted by Texas
    Originally posted by paulthefan
    Originally posted by Texas
    Third....Xavier Carter
    Jesse Owens and Henry Carr out... Xavier Carter in?
    Xavier Carter is a 10.00/19.63/sub 45.00 guy. Those performances are just tooooooooooooo far superior to what we saw from Owens and Carr. I know Carter is 19.63 guy, he actually ran that. To go off into..."well if Owens and Carr ran on ......"...that gets tired bro..ok? The facts are this...Carter really is a 19.63 guy......ok?
    Ten years from now there will be another poster on this board who will be an expert in sprinters and sprinting. He will be far superior at this to Texas as he will know far more than Texas. Not that Texas does not know a lot now, but this person will know things Texas cannot yet know because they have not yet happened. His overall depth of knowledge in sprinting will probably not be as good as Texas's overall, but he will be superior to him because it will be 10 years from now and he will know what has happened 2009-2018, which Texas does not yet know. In fact, by 2018 Texas will not even be in the top 10 of sprinting knowledge because he knows nothing about what is going to happen in the next 10 years.
    We all have a little trip, mine is knowing the what, when, where and who. When it comes to that aspect of this, I'm pretty confident....ok? To get all wrapped up in what some cat in 1936 or 1964 could run today.....hmm? Put Barry Sanders back in 1936....hmm? Put Usain Bolt back in 1964...hmm?

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  • dakota
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    But Texas already knows what's going to happen for the next twenty years :lol:

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  • bambam
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    Originally posted by Texas
    Originally posted by paulthefan
    Originally posted by Texas
    Third....Xavier Carter
    Jesse Owens and Henry Carr out... Xavier Carter in?
    Xavier Carter is a 10.00/19.63/sub 45.00 guy. Those performances are just tooooooooooooo far superior to what we saw from Owens and Carr. I know Carter is 19.63 guy, he actually ran that. To go off into..."well if Owens and Carr ran on ......"...that gets tired bro..ok? The facts are this...Carter really is a 19.63 guy......ok?
    Ten years from now there will be another poster on this board who will be an expert in sprinters and sprinting. He will be far superior at this to Texas as he will know far more than Texas. Not that Texas does not know a lot now, but this person will know things Texas cannot yet know because they have not yet happened. His overall depth of knowledge in sprinting will probably not be as good as Texas's overall, but he will be superior to him because it will be 10 years from now and he will know what has happened 2009-2018, which Texas does not yet know. In fact, by 2018 Texas will not even be in the top 10 of sprinting knowledge because he knows nothing about what is going to happen in the next 10 years.

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  • eldrick
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    we do have to take modern tracks as "it"

    fast & hard, Don
    as the colour commentator on cuevas/hearns said ( best ripping away of a title i ever read & then saw )

    carr's 20.36 on dirt into a 0.7 wasn't beaten for 7y, auto, until...

    20" 30. Valeriy Borzov (19"83), URS, 13 Aug 71, Helsinki
    20" 28. Larry Black (19"83), USA, 03 Sep 72, München
    20" 00. Valeriy Borzov (19"83), URS, 04 Sep 72, München
    19" 96. Pietro Mennea (19"72), ITA, 17 Aug 80, Barletta
    19" 75. Carl Lewis (19"72), USA, 19 Jun 83, Indianapolis
    19" 75. Joe DeLoach (19"72), USA, 28 Sep 88, Seoul
    19" 73. Michael Marsh (19"72), USA, 05 Aug 92, Barcelona

    call carr's run 20.30 with 0 wind

    cinder/synthetic conversions quoted ibid as ~ 1.0s/lap ->

    19.80+

    those curves were 100/100 as opposed to 116/84

    i got an estimate of ~ 0.1s handicap

    ( i have to find it ( i'm pissed off, it was one calculation i'd been asking JRM for years ( & he woudn't answer ) - what woud frankie's 19.82 in oslo ( 105/95 ) be worth on a 116/84 ? ) )

    that gives carr a step-onto...

    19.70+

    bottom line, tex :

    start thinking - you seem to refuse to contemplate anything beyond a narrow contemplative :

    evolve...

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  • paulthefan
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    Originally posted by Texas

    I saw Carr run many times, nobody was ever smoother. He simply floated. I know all about his exploits at ASU as a 4x4 anchorman on that potent Sun Devil squad. He was also a 9.3 guy. As we all know he was given the 4x4 anchor duties on our Oly 4x4 teamed based on his rep.Yes he was great! He however was a 20.2 guy. No not 19.92 or 19.82 or 19.72...ok? We don't know what he might have ran now do we? We do know that Carter is a 19.63 guy, don't we? To go around.."well if he was great in the 30's, 40's..etc.." There's no gurantee of that. All you can do is speculate. I prefer to go with what really happened. I'm a huge Bob Hayes fan and do think if he'd hung around we see a 9.85 in 1968. Does Bullet Bob beat Usain Bolt in 2008? I doubt it.

    John Carlos was running sub 20.00 in 68. I think that's a great time for the 60's. Telling me he belongs any talk of 200m/4x2.
    I can help you, I saw Carter run, yes he was very good, saw him run NCAA 4x4 duties, he had a great rep. But we dont know what he might have run in 1960s, or 50s.. we just dont know, could he have run a 20.4, I seriously doubt it. ok? There is no guarantee, All you can do is speculate. I prefer to go with what really happen and we do know that Carr ran a 20.3, in 1964 on dirt dont we?

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  • eldrick
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    Originally posted by Texas
    Starting off....Usain Bolt
    Second....Michael Johnson
    Third...Frankie Fredericks
    Anchor....Tommie Smith
    how does frankie get ranked ahead of tyson ?

    if you hadn't noticed, tyson in a part career has already run faster than ff ever did

    for that matter, King's 19.75 & marsh's 19.73 both easing down, are superior to frankie's 19.68 flat-out

    extending that, how does smith, a 19.83 guy get in ahead of all these guys ?

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  • Texas
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    Originally posted by paulthefan
    Originally posted by Texas
    Originally posted by paulthefan
    Originally posted by Texas
    Third....Xavier Carter
    Jesse Owens and Henry Carr out... Xavier Carter in?
    Xavier Carter is a 10.00/19.63/sub 45.00 guy. Those performances are just tooooooooooooo far superior to what we saw from Owens and Carr. I know Carter is 19.63 guy, he actually ran that. To go off into..."well if Owens and Carr ran on ......"...that gets tired bro..ok? The facts are this...Carter really is a 19.63 guy......ok?
    it is not at all tired for me, Carr demolishes Carter head to head. nuff said, no more rain from me. Also Carlos was a mega talent for sure but Im sure you and I with totally different calculus and results, can find others not listed above that are superior.
    I saw Carr run many times, nobody was ever smoother. He simply floated. I know all about his exploits at ASU as a 4x4 anchorman on that potent Sun Devil squad. He was also a 9.3 guy. As we all know he was given the 4x4 anchor duties on our Oly 4x4 teamed based on his rep.Yes he was great! He however was a 20.2 guy. No not 19.92 or 19.82 or 19.72...ok? We don't know what he might have ran now do we? We do know that Carter is a 19.63 guy, don't we? To go around.."well if he was great in the 30's, 40's..etc.." There's no gurantee of that. All you can do is speculate. I prefer to go with what really happened. I'm a huge Bob Hayes fan and do think if he'd hung around we see a 9.85 in 1968. Does Bullet Bob beat Usain Bolt in 2008? I doubt it.

    John Carlos was running sub 20.00 in 68. I think that's a great time for the 60's. Telling me he belongs any talk of 200m/4x2.

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  • paulthefan
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    Originally posted by Texas
    Originally posted by paulthefan
    Originally posted by Texas
    Third....Xavier Carter
    Jesse Owens and Henry Carr out... Xavier Carter in?
    Xavier Carter is a 10.00/19.63/sub 45.00 guy. Those performances are just tooooooooooooo far superior to what we saw from Owens and Carr. I know Carter is 19.63 guy, he actually ran that. To go off into..."well if Owens and Carr ran on ......"...that gets tired bro..ok? The facts are this...Carter really is a 19.63 guy......ok?
    it is not at all tired for me, Carr demolishes Carter head to head. nuff said, no more rain from me. Also Carlos was a mega talent for sure but Im sure you and I with totally different calculus and results, can find others not listed above that are superior.

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  • sprintblox
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    Gay's best is a bit better than Fredericks' best, but Fredericks had such remarkable consistency, always pushing MJ to the limit and would even beat him if MJ made a small mistake.

    My team would be as follows:

    A team
    Leadoff: Usain Bolt
    2nd: Frankie Fredericks
    3rd: Tyson Gay
    Anchor: Michael Johnson

    B team
    Leadoff: Mike Marsh
    2nd: Carl Lewis
    3rd: Don Quarrie
    Anchor: Wallace Spearmon

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  • Texas
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    Originally posted by paulthefan
    Originally posted by Texas
    Third....Xavier Carter
    Jesse Owens and Henry Carr out... Xavier Carter in?
    Xavier Carter is a 10.00/19.63/sub 45.00 guy. Those performances are just tooooooooooooo far superior to what we saw from Owens and Carr. I know Carter is 19.63 guy, he actually ran that. To go off into..."well if Owens and Carr ran on ......"...that gets tired bro..ok? The facts are this...Carter really is a 19.63 guy......ok?

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