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  • Per Andersen
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    Thanks! I always like to look at the picture from the US-Germany dual meet from '38 with a super relaxed looking Malott hitting the tape in the 400 about 4 meters ahead of a more strained looking Harbig.

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  • billthedog
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    Malott was indeed a great talent. In his senior year, 1938, he was near unbeatable, even by Harbig. Dink Templeton went to the point of setting up special races for him that year to try to break the world record. But no luck. I'm sure I saw some of those (as well as the regular Stanford dual meets), but memory grows dim.

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  • Per Andersen
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    Originally posted by billthedog
    Going way back to the beginning, did Sheats, Rodriguez or Malott ever run as fast as Ben Eastman? I know Malott didn't.
    Bill, would you consider Malott a "Harbig like" talent?
    All I know is that he seems to have retired at age 21 (after the '38 season) + he comfortably beat Harbig in '38 over 400.

    He seems to have had Harbig like speed in the 200 and he could also run the 800.

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  • billthedog
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    Going way back to the beginning, did Sheats, Rodriguez or Malott ever run as fast as Ben Eastman? I know Malott didn't.

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  • indigo
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    Re: California Championships

    Originally posted by Texas
    Most countries can't compare to this...

    110 Hurdles. I would subsitute Milan Stewart for Sam Turner. I always thought Milan's '82 NCAA win in the rain is one of the most under rated performances.

    My opinion:
    If conditions had been dry Gault wins - Stewart won because he was more determined not because he was the fastest.

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  • richxx87
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    Re: Cali

    Originally posted by Texas
    /.../
    Then there's UCLA...
    /.../
    400m

    lane

    1.Benny Brown
    2.Wayne Collett
    3.Danny Everett
    4.Steve Lewis
    5.Craig Everhart
    6.John Smith
    7.Maxie Parks
    8.Don Domansky


    4x4 relay

    lane

    1.Kevin Young...Andre Phillips..Warren Edmonson..John Smith
    2.Danny Everett...Don Domansky..Len Van Hofwegan...Wayne Collett
    3.Maxie Parks..Benny Brown..Craig Everhart..Steve Lewis
    I'd definitely add in James LuValle in both of these lists above. He was the 1935 NCAA champ and 1936 Olympic Bronze medalist in the quarter. Even though his 47.x pb is not comparable to those other guys in straight-up time terms, NCAA champ and Oly medalist is good enough for me.

    Also...
    How about a UCLA 400H list

    Kevin Young
    Andre Phillips
    Brandon Johnson
    Wayne Collett
    Kyle Erickson
    Johnathon Williams

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  • Texas
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    Re: Cali

    Originally posted by bijanc
    Not to mention Edesel Garrison and Earl McCullouch of Southern Cal, or James McCalister of the Uclans.
    How's bout...

    All USC Championships

    4x1 relay

    lane

    1.Frank Wykoff..Payton Jordan..Mel Patton..Charles Paddock
    2.Earl McCullouch..Fred Kuller...O.J.Simpson..Lennox Miller
    3.Kevin Williams...Joel Andrews..Clancy Edwards..Darwin Cook
    4.Jeff Laynes...Sultan McCullough...James Gilkes..James Sanford
    5.Wes Felix..Antonio Manning..Mike Dexter..Don Quarrie

    110hh

    lane

    1.Jerry Wilson
    2.Ryan Wilson
    3.Jack Davis
    4.Mark Crear
    5.Tonie Campbell
    6.Robert Reading
    7.Earl McCullouch
    8.Dick Attelsey

    100m

    lane

    1.Lennox Miller
    2.Frank Wykoff
    3.James Sanford
    4.Charles Paddock
    5.Jeff Laynes
    6.Sultan McCullough
    7.Darwin Cook
    8.Fred Kuller

    400m

    lane

    1.Jim Lea
    2.Erdesel Garrison
    3.Mike Larrabee
    4.Quincy Watts
    5.Jerome Davis
    6.Lionel Larry
    7.Billy Mullins
    8.Ken Randle

    long jump

    Allen Simms
    Wes Clayton
    Henry Hines
    Randy Williams
    Ed Tave
    Larry Doubley
    Gerald Hardeman
    Kenny Hays

    200m

    lane

    1.Willie Deckard
    2.Payton Jordan
    3.Mel Patton
    4.Don Quarrie
    5.James Gilkes
    6.Mike Dexter
    7.Antonio Manning
    8.Clancy Edwards


    4x4 relay

    lane

    1.Jim Lea..Bill Green..Travis Hannah..Bryshon Nellum
    2.Ken Randle..Curtis Conway..Tom Andrews..Jerome Davis
    3.Billy Mullins..Bryan Krill..Erdesel Garrison...Quincy Watts

    Then there's UCLA...

    4x1 relay

    lane

    1.Ron Copeland...Norm Jackson..Tom Jones..Hal Busby
    2.Lloyd LaBeach..Orlando Johnson..Reggie Robinson..Eric Brown
    3.Mike Marsh..Ronnie Welch..Gordon Peppars..Marcus Reed
    4.Tony Miller...Ato Boldon..Millard Hampton..Warren Edmonson

    110hh

    lane

    1.Charles Rich
    2.Clim Jackson
    3.Jim Johnson
    4.Greg Foster
    6.Andre Phillips
    7.James Owens
    8.Ron Copeland

    100m

    lane

    1.Hal Busby
    2.Marcus Reed
    3.Lloyd LaBeach
    4.Ato Boldon
    5.Ronnie Welch
    6.Tony Miller
    7.Warren Edmonson
    8.Reggie Robinson

    long jump

    George Brown
    Johnny Johnson
    Jackie Robinson
    James McAlister
    Jerry Herndon
    Mike Powell
    Rafer Johnson

    400m

    lane

    1.Benny Brown
    2.Wayne Collett
    3.Danny Everett
    4.Steve Lewis
    5.Craig Everhart
    6.John Smith
    7.Maxie Parks
    8.Don Domansky

    200m

    lane

    1.Tom Jones
    2.Eric Brown
    3.Millard Hampton
    4.Mike Marsh
    5.Gentry Bradley
    6.Gordon Peppars
    7.Reggie Echols
    8.Norm Jackson

    4x4 relay

    lane

    1.Kevin Young...Andre Phillips..Warren Edmonson..John Smith
    2.Danny Everett...Don Domansky..Len Van Hofwegan...Wayne Collett
    3.Maxie Parks..Benny Brown..Craig Everhart..Steve Lewis


    There are no other schools with that quality/quantity in those events I mentioned, that rivals USC/UCLA. TCU has a ton of sprinters but where's their long jumpers/hurdlers? Baylor has a truck load of quartermilers but what else?

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  • Per Andersen
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    Originally posted by Texas
    Originally posted by Per Andersen
    Some more: Willie Steele SDS, Gold in the London LJ
    George Brown UCLA, best LJer in the world early 50s
    Jim Lea USC, WR 440, second in the world to better Rhoden's 400 WR.
    I thought of those three along with Jack Davis, Dick Attelsey and Charles Paddock. Who would those guys and the ones you mentioned replace?
    No, of course. I just got carried away when you listed Mel Patton. Sure glad I did not bring up Lloyd La Beach.
    I never learn!

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  • bijanc
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    Cali

    Not to mention Edesel Garrison and Earl McCullouch of Southern Cal, or James McCalister of the Uclans.

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  • Texas
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    Originally posted by dukehjsteve
    Tex, thanks for letting some old timers onto some of these teams ( for once ! ) such as Mel Patton for USC.
    Can't talk Cali sprinting and not have Patton, Davis and Leamon King.

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  • Texas
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    Re: California Championships

    Originally posted by paulthefan
    Originally posted by Texas
    Most countries can't compare to this...

    4x1 relay

    lane

    1.Cal Poly...Bobby Turner..Karron Conwright..Clancy Edwards..Cecil Turner
    I can remember the first time I saw that man run a 200m dash.. I thought to myself, finally we have found an equal of Bullet Bob...
    As you know Edwards did end up at USC. The first time I saw him he was a CPSLO Mustang. He was on a totally different level than the competition. Yep.."who is that?"

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  • Texas
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    Originally posted by Per Andersen
    Some more: Willie Steele SDS, Gold in the London LJ
    George Brown UCLA, best LJer in the world early 50s
    Jim Lea USC, WR 440, second in the world to better Rhoden's 400 WR.
    I thought of those three along with Jack Davis, Dick Attelsey and Charles Paddock. Who would those guys and the ones you mentioned replace?

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  • jhc68
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    Two Santa Ana High School guys: Clancy Edwards and Isaac Curtis. Any others from the same HS?

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  • dukehjsteve
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    Tex, thanks for letting some old timers onto some of these teams ( for once ! ) such as Mel Patton for USC.

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  • paulthefan
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    Re: California Championships

    Originally posted by Texas
    Most countries can't compare to this...

    4x1 relay

    lane

    1.Cal Poly...Bobby Turner..Karron Conwright..Clancy Edwards..Cecil Turner
    I can remember the first time I saw that man run a 200m dash.. I thought to myself, finally we have found an equal of Bullet Bob...

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