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  • dakota
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    1993
    Eugene, June 19; wind +2.5
    1. Mike Marsh (SMTC) 19.97w
    2. Carl Lewis (SMTC) 20.07w
    3. Jason Hendrix (Blinn) 20.35w
    4. Leroy Burrell (SMTC) 20.35w
    5. Floyd Heard (SMTC) 20.47w
    6. Chris Nelloms (OhSt) 20.49w
    7. Bryan Bridgewater (SMTC) 20.51w
    8. David Oaks (Ok) 20.78w
    1992
    New Orleans, June 28; wind +1.0
    31 contestants, 8 finalists
    1. Michael Johnson (NikI) 19.79 MR
    2. Mike Marsh (SMTC) 19.86
    3. Michael Bates (Start) 20.14
    4. Carl Lewis (SMTC) 20.15
    5. Leroy Burrell (SMTC) 20.16
    6. James Trapp (Clem) 20.17
    7. Dennis Mitchell (Maz) 20.27
    8. Jeff Williams (SSTC) 20.46
    1991
    New York City, June 15; wind -2.0
    29 contestants, 8 finalists
    1. Michael Johnson (NikI) 20.31
    2. Leroy Burrell (SMTC) 20.42
    3. Floyd Heard (SMTC) 20.44
    4. Kevin Braunskill (NCSt) 20.53
    5. Mike Marsh (SMTC) 20.69
    6. Dennis Mitchell (Maz) 20.69
    7. James Jett (WV) 21.16
    8. Thomas Jefferson (unat) 23.24

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  • paulthefan
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    Originally posted by Texas
    Originally posted by eldrick
    don't forget he had history's greatest 200 coach - a man who coached 3 different men to 3 succesive og gold & all in nigh-on wr shape

    i have little doubt tellez couda turned leroy into a 19.8 guy if leroy was interested
    I think 19.85 sounds about right.
    not bad, makes one wonder what Tellez could have acomplished with Clancy had Clancy been born 10 years later.

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  • Texas
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    Originally posted by eldrick
    don't forget he had history's greatest 200 coach - a man who coached 3 different men to 3 succesive og gold & all in nigh-on wr shape

    i have little doubt tellez couda turned leroy into a 19.8 guy if leroy was interested
    I think 19.85 sounds about right.

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  • Texas
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    Originally posted by gh
    The Burrell 19.61w is totally meaningless, given that the wind was so strong that the gauge couldn't even measure it. He was good enough to get some decent World Ranking spots, but his entire body of work doesn't suggest to me that he would have been among the event's all-time greats had he spent more time at it.
    The guy did run a 19.61 and he did beat MJ. He also had 9.85 jets. I'
    m guessing that if the 200m had been on his list of things to do he's running 19.85ish stuff. Just a gut feeling.

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  • eldrick
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    don't forget he had history's greatest 200 coach - a man who coached 3 different men to 3 succesive og gold & all in nigh-on wr shape

    i have little doubt tellez couda turned leroy into a 19.8 guy if leroy was interested

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  • gh
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    The Burrell 19.61w is totally meaningless, given that the wind was so strong that the gauge couldn't even measure it. He was good enough to get some decent World Ranking spots, but his entire body of work doesn't suggest to me that he would have been among the event's all-time greats had he spent more time at it.

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  • Texas
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    Originally posted by Brian
    Originally posted by Texas
    Edwards having the better 200m NCAA career isn't the topic however. Who had the better 1976 Olympics, Hasley Crawford or Valery Borzov? Who was the faster sprinter? Who is better Richard Thompson or Asafa Powell? Who had the better 2008 Olympic final?

    I don't think the world ever came close to seeing Edward's true potential at either the 100 or 200, as word was back then that he was allergic to practicing his starts. :]

    No denying the sheer talent, though.
    Edwards was a great sprinter, if you recall he was ranked second in the world in the 100 in 1978. Too lazy to check out his 200 ranking. Nobody is saying he wasn't a great sprinter. The deal is so was Leroy Burrell. There is no doubt Burrell was the better 100 man, not even debatable. Burrell's 19.61w in beating MJ should send a message. That tells me that "if" he'd taken the deuce seriously, he'd had been a major force there. He would have made an impact. Yes I do see him doing things Edwards didn't do in the event. Obviously that's just guess work based on one lone race so ..........

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  • Brian
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    Originally posted by Texas
    Edwards having the better 200m NCAA career isn't the topic however. Who had the better 1976 Olympics, Hasley Crawford or Valery Borzov? Who was the faster sprinter? Who is better Richard Thompson or Asafa Powell? Who had the better 2008 Olympic final?

    I don't think the world ever came close to seeing Edward's true potential at either the 100 or 200, as word was back then that he was allergic to practicing his starts. :]

    No denying the sheer talent, though.

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  • Texas
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    Originally posted by Bruce Kritzler
    What are those times (listed to .01) in the original post representing? They certainly didn't run them.
    Those are 100 yards times.

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  • Texas
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    Originally posted by rhymans
    Texas - could you enlighten us as to when and where Ken Thomas ran 10.0 - US lists give him the following progression -

    1979 (age 19 - b.11Feb60) 10.2/10.36Aw
    1980 10.36/10.31w

    He has no 10.0 - legal or windy listed. Perhaps you're getting confused with other SJ sprinters who did run 10.0w - Ernest Lewis in 1978 or Virgil Torrence in 1982

    If you have any detail about the 10.0 I'd be interested to see it.
    I don't blame you for be skeptical. So was I. That 10.0 is in the pages of Track & Field News. Not sure where however. I'll see if I can track it down. Trust me it happened or so it was written up in the mag. Ron Whitaker also ran a 10.0 for SJS.

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  • Bruce Kritzler
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    What are those times (listed to .01) in the original post representing? They certainly didn't run them.

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  • rhymans
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    Texas - could you enlighten us as to when and where Ken Thomas ran 10.0 - US lists give him the following progression -

    1979 (age 19 - b.11Feb60) 10.2/10.36Aw
    1980 10.36/10.31w

    He has no 10.0 - legal or windy listed. Perhaps you're getting confused with other SJ sprinters who did run 10.0w - Ernest Lewis in 1978 or Virgil Torrence in 1982

    If you have any detail about the 10.0 I'd be interested to see it.

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  • Texas
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    Originally posted by paulthefan
    Originally posted by eldrick
    i'm unaware of any seismic changes in methodologies between late '70s & late '80s/early '90s

    care to enlighten us ?
    didnt I already answer this question in a coincident thread, I think we all know why we cant start that discussion. We have reached a dead end.

    Paulthefan has spoken and all things have been made equal: Edwards is the superior NCAA 200m man to Burrell.
    Edwards having the better 200m NCAA career isn't the topic however. Who had the better 1976 Olympics, Hasley Crawford or Valery Borzov? Who was the faster sprinter? Who is better Richard Thompson or Asafa Powell? Who had the better 2008 Olympic final?

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  • paulthefan
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    Originally posted by eldrick
    i'm unaware of any seismic changes in methodologies between late '70s & late '80s/early '90s

    care to enlighten us ?
    didnt I already answer this question in a coincident thread, I think we all know why we cant start that discussion. We have reached a dead end.

    Paulthefan has spoken and all things have been made equal: Edwards is the superior NCAA 200m man to Burrell.

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  • eldrick
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    Originally posted by paulthefan
    Burrell was in a different era altogther, Edwards was effectively running with the methods and means of a bygone era the last decade of which was the 70s
    i'm unaware of any seismic changes in methodologies between late '70s & late '80s/early '90s

    care to enlighten us ?

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