best ever!

[Texas]

I've been thinking about those schools that had it's greatest sprinter compete prior to 1970. After he left school his accomplishments were never bettered. So after all these years he remains that schools greatest sprinter. There was..

Dave Sime...Duke
Bobby Morrow...Abilene Christian
Jesse Owens...Ohio State
Ralph Metcalfe...Marquette
Eulace Peacock...Temple
Harrison Dilliard...Baldwin Wallace
George Anderson...Southern U
Bernie Rivers...New Mexico
John Haines...Penn
Mike Agostini...Fresno State
Hal Davis...Cal
Harry Jerome...Oregon
Larry Questad...Stanford
Stone Johnson...Grambling
Bob Hayes...FAMU
Gerry Ashworth...Dartmouth
Frank Budd...Villanova
Herb McKenley...Illinois
Eddie Tolan...Michigan
Jim Golliday...Northwestern
Charles Tidwell...Kansas
Charlie Greene....Nebraska
Jimmy Hines....Texas Southern
Sam Perry...Fordham
Barney Ewell...Penn State
Andy Stanfield...Seton Hall
Lloyd LaBeach...Wisconsin
John Moon...Tenn State
Roger Sayers...Omaha
Thane Baker...Kansas State
Art Bragg...Morgan State

[paulthefan]

Re: best ever!

There was..

Dave Sime...Duke

Wasnt Meriweather from Duke as well. This means that Duke produced not one but two M.D. dasher of genuinely great stature. Considering that Duke has had very nearly nothing else in the way of sprint accomplishments it is utterly astounding. Both of these guys did it on purely raw physical talent. No Bud Winter, no tradition no sprint factory culture or peers to rely on.

[Texas]

Re: best ever!

There was..

Dave Sime...Duke

Wasnt Meriweather from Duke as well. This means that Duke produced not one but two M.D. dasher of genuinely great stature. Considering that Duke has had very nearly nothing else in the way of sprint accomplishments it is utterly astounding. Both of these guys did it on purely raw physical talent. No Bud Winter, no tradition no sprint factory culture or peers to rely on.

Meriweather went to Michigan State but he never ran track there. He also attended Duke, never ran there either. Strange story.

[tandfman]

I believe Michigan State was his undergraduate school. He went to Med School at Duke. Spells his name Meriwether, by the way.

[Texas]

I believe Michigan State was his undergraduate school. He went to Med School at Duke. Spells his name Meriwether, by the way.

Story goes the first time he was ever timed in a 100 yarder.....9.6!

[paulthefan]

I believe Michigan State was his undergraduate school. He went to Med School at Duke. Spells his name Meriwether, by the way.

Story goes the first time he was ever timed in a 100 yarder.....9.6!

proving he had more in common with Sime. Or was Sime's first 100 at 9.7?

[Marlow]

I believe Michigan State was his undergraduate school. He went to Med School at Duke. Spells his name Meriwether, by the way.

Story goes the first time he was ever timed in a 100 yarder.....9.6!

proving he had more in common with Sime. Or was Sime's first 100 at 9.7?

From the SI vault:

When Houston McTear was 14 years old he won the 100-yard dash in a junior high school track meet, running in sneakers, a T shirt and a worn pair of cut-off blue jeans. He was timed in 9.8 seconds, a performance made more dazzling by the fact that he didn't even have a set of starting blocks.

[Jim Rorick]

Re: best ever!

I've been thinking about those schools that had it's greatest sprinter compete prior to 1970. After he left school his accomplishments were never bettered. So after all these years he remains that schools greatest sprinter.

Mike Agostini...Fresno State
Hal Davis...Cal

Davis may well have been Cal's best-ever, but markwise (which you, Texas, seem to value more than anything), Leamon King and Eddie Hart come to mind as surpassing Davis. And you could make a case for Darel Newman surpassing Agostini markwise(not achievement-wise).

[steve]

Re: best ever!

Davis may well have been Cal's best-ever, but markwise (which you, Texas, seem to value more than anything), Leamon King and Eddie Hart come to mind as surpassing Davis. And you could make a case for Darel Newman surpassing Agostini markwise(not achievement-wise).

....After he left school his accomplishments were never bettered....

I don't think he means times, he means accomplishments.

[Texas]

Re: best ever!

I've been thinking about those schools that had it's greatest sprinter compete prior to 1970. After he left school his accomplishments were never bettered. So after all these years he remains that schools greatest sprinter.

Mike Agostini...Fresno State
Hal Davis...Cal

Davis may well have been Cal's best-ever, but markwise (which you, Texas, seem to value more than anything), Leamon King and Eddie Hart come to mind as surpassing Davis. And you could make a case for Darel Newman surpassing Agostini markwise(not achievement-wise).

This isn't about PR's, it's about accomplishments. Davis was "da man" in the 100/200 in his era. Too bad there were no Olympics in his era for him to star him. I put him above King and Hart as far as domination of an era goes.

Newman did tie the 5.9 WR and had a 9.2 but he wasn't an Olympic finalist like Agostini was. He also was ranked as high and wasn't the 200 man that Agostini was. Gotta go with Agostini here.

[paulthefan]

Re: best ever!

There was..
Harrison Dilliard...Baldwin Wallace

talk about starting life from nowhere and getting somewhere!.. Dilliard has got to be one of the 10 or 20 most underappreciated track guys of all time.

from Bud Collins: http://www.bw.edu/athletics/otf/feature ... udcollins/

"he was an Olympic champion, inspired by the illustrious Owens who came from the same east Cleveland neighborhood. "

and dont forget he served in the US Army during WW2.

[dukehjsteve]

I believe Michigan State was his undergraduate school. He went to Med School at Duke. Spells his name Meriwether, by the way.

I'll corroborate the above. What then becomes interesting is that Sime and Meriwether both went to Duke Medical School. Sime graduated from Duke undergrad school in 1958, then went straight to Duke Medical School.

[EastBayprepoftheweek67]

Re: best ever!

I've been thinking about those schools that had it's greatest sprinter compete prior to 1970. After he left school his accomplishments were never bettered. So after all these years he remains that schools greatest sprinter.

Mike Agostini...Fresno State
Hal Davis...Cal

Davis may well have been Cal's best-ever, but markwise (which you, Texas, seem to value more than anything), Leamon King and Eddie Hart come to mind as surpassing Davis. And you could make a case for Darel Newman surpassing Agostini markwise(not achievement-wise).

Hart's first season at Cal was 1970, as a junior, after two years at Contra Costa Community College in Richmond.

[Texas]

I believe Michigan State was his undergraduate school. He went to Med School at Duke. Spells his name Meriwether, by the way.

Story goes the first time he was ever timed in a 100 yarder.....9.6!

proving he had more in common with Sime. Or was Sime's first 100 at 9.7?

From the SI vault:

When Houston McTear was 14 years old he won the 100-yard dash in a junior high school track meet, running in sneakers, a T shirt and a worn pair of cut-off blue jeans. He was timed in 9.8 seconds, a performance made more dazzling by the fact that he didn't even have a set of starting blocks.

I've told this story before...oh well.

McTear was to anchor the Cerritos JC 4x2 at the Fresno "West Coast Relays" back when it was a big meet. The funny thing was there he was a world class sprinter getting treated as if he was just another 10.45 JC guy. That was until he "finally" got the stick. Cerritos was way back and totally out of it when McTear began to run. Need I go on 8-) Yep just like a movie, as he picked off teams as of they were running in place the crowd began to freak. With 10 meters to go he had the lead and was pulling away. That...woooooooooo..was now a WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! That would be the only time I'd see him run in person. In a word...stunning!

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[Texas]

Re: best ever!

There was..
Harrison Dilliard...Baldwin Wallace

talk about starting life from nowhere and getting somewhere!.. Dilliard has got to be one of the 10 or 20 most underappreciated track guys of all time.

from Bud Collins: http://www.bw.edu/athletics/otf/feature ... udcollins/

"he was an Olympic champion, inspired by the illustrious Owens who came from the same east Cleveland neighborhood. "

and dont forget he served in the US Army during WW2.

Hmmm...an all Army 4x1 team...

Mel Pender-Charlie Greene-Ben Vaughn-Harrison Dilliard