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  • In Praise of Mr. Bubka

    Here's the top 25 marks in the PV:

    6.15i B 93
    6.14 B 94
    6.14i B 93
    6.13 B 92
    6.13i B 92
    6.12 B 92
    6.12i B 91
    6.11 B 92
    6.11i B 91
    6.10 B 91
    6.10i B 91
    6.09 B 91
    6.08 B 91
    6.08i B 91
    6.07 B 91
    6.06 B 88
    6.05 B 88
    6.05 B 93
    6.05 B 94
    6.05 B 97
    6.05 Tarasov 99
    6.05 Markov 01
    6.05i B 90
    6.05i B 93
    6.05i B 93

    Pretty impressive, eh? Last one in 97, which was kind of a one-off, since the next most recent is 94 (two). The bulk were 91-93, SIXTEEN years ago! Poles have gotten better since then, but not vaulters.

  • #2
    Re: In Praise of Mr. Bubka

    Originally posted by Marlow
    Poles have gotten better since then, but not vaulters.
    The poles that elites use have not changed significantly since then. Carbon poles have come a long way, but there hasn't been a dramatic increase of vaulters using them at the elite level, nor has there been a dramatic improvement in heights, so it's arguable how much of an improvement they are.

    There have been a lot of improvements in the size poles that high school/beginner girls use, but that has no bearing on the world record.

    Not only have there been no significant improvements in pole technology (as it relates to elite men), the pegs have gotten shorter, the time vaulters can spend on the runway is less, there are now rules against volzing, oh yeah and drug testing has gotten stricter.

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    • #3
      Re: In Praise of Mr. Bubka

      Originally posted by polevaultpower
      . . . oh yeah and drug testing has gotten stricter.
      Excellent point . . .

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      • #4
        Re: In Praise of Mr. Bubka

        Originally posted by polevaultpower
        Originally posted by Marlow
        Poles have gotten better since then, but not vaulters.
        The poles that elites use has not changed significantly since then. Carbon poles have come a long way, but there hasn't been a dramatic increase of vaulters using them at the elite level, nor has there been a dramatic improvement in heights, so it's arguable how much of an improvement they are.
        Even though you weren't around the game 15 years ago, I know you have tons of sources to say that, but I still beg to differ. As you say, the Carbon poles have come a long way and if Bubka had today's Pacer or Spirit , I'd have to say he'd be 2-4" higher, just from what I've seen/heard/read.

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        • #5
          Re: In Praise of Mr. Bubka

          Originally posted by Marlow
          Originally posted by polevaultpower
          Originally posted by Marlow
          Poles have gotten better since then, but not vaulters.
          The poles that elites use has not changed significantly since then. Carbon poles have come a long way, but there hasn't been a dramatic increase of vaulters using them at the elite level, nor has there been a dramatic improvement in heights, so it's arguable how much of an improvement they are.
          Even though you weren't around the game 15 years ago, I know you have tons of sources to say that, but I still beg to differ. As you say, the Carbon poles have come a long way and if Bubka had today's Pacer or Spirit , I'd have to say he'd be 2-4" higher, just from what I've seen/heard/read.
          Spirits really haven't changed much (at all?) since they started. I doubt that their 5.20 poles now are much lighter than they were when Bubka was vaulting.

          Pacer has gotten better, because they took a step backward for awhile and worked hard to overcome that, but I don't think Bubka would have vaulted any higher on a Carbon, and I don't know too many other people who think so either.

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          • #6
            I'm no vault expert, but I have to believe that the shorter pegs and the no-Volzing rule have had an impact.

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            • #7
              Guessing the next strongest showing in top 25 performances might be Michael Johnson with half as many.

              EDIT:Isinbayeva is almost as strong on the female side.
              Tom Hyland:
              "squack and wineturtle get it"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by wineturtle
                Guessing the next strongest showing in top 25 performances might be Michael Johnson with half as many.
                Soto's got to to be up there pretty good too.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tandfman
                  I'm no vault expert, but I have to believe that the shorter pegs and the no-Volzing rule have had an impact.
                  the shorter pegs, yes, but just as much is the fact that the elite crossbars are now semi-circles, so they roll over more easily. Volzing is not much of a factor because:
                  a. few occasions arise that a vaulter could even try to do it.
                  b. few vaulters have the air sense to try
                  c. it doesn't work much of the time
                  d. you can knock down a bar that would have stayed
                  e. many officials don't call it when there's a question as to whether it helped.

                  Although I am against the volzing rule, I get why they think they need it, but it just doesn't happen that often. The one time I tried it, I had d. (above) happen.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dukehjsteve
                    Soto's got to to be up there pretty good too.
                    You can look: http://iaaf.org/statistics/toplists/ino ... /list.html

                    MJ in the 200 has 12 of 25 in the 400

                    Soto has 17

                    Name the other male athlete that has 12/25.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Marlow
                      Originally posted by dukehjsteve
                      Soto's got to to be up there pretty good too.
                      You can look: http://iaaf.org/statistics/toplists/ino ... /list.html

                      MJ in the 200 has 12 of 25 in the 400



                      Soto has 17

                      Name the other male athlete that has 12/25.
                      I'll guess Zelezny\ \?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dukehjsteve
                        Originally posted by Marlow
                        Originally posted by dukehjsteve
                        Soto's got to to be up there pretty good too.
                        You can look: http://iaaf.org/statistics/toplists/ino ... /list.html

                        MJ in the 200 has 12 of 25 in the 400



                        Soto has 17

                        Name the other male athlete that has 12/25.
                        I'll guess Zelezny\ \?
                        Bingo
                        Tom Hyland:
                        "squack and wineturtle get it"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by wineturtle
                          Originally posted by dukehjsteve
                          I'll guess Zelezny\ \?
                          Bingo
                          You overshot the mark - he has 15. Who has 12?

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                          • #14
                            Another question: which male athlete has the most top 25 performances in an event he isn't the WR holder in?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Marlow
                              Originally posted by wineturtle
                              Originally posted by dukehjsteve
                              I'll guess Zelezny\ \?
                              Bingo
                              You overshot the mark - he has 15. Who has 12?
                              I'm on a roll here, I will say Syedikh.

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