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  • Moscow 1980 m100m Final

    Apologies if this has been discussed before, but a simple question that's bugged me for years: why so slow?? Weather? Wind? Timing? Seems strange that Wells was running10,11 in the QF, Petrov 10, 13, and then..?

  • #2
    I think they ran into a 1.2 wind. Silvio Leonard was the favorite going into the event. Wells won with his lean. After the race, Wells said he thought he would have run 10.05 with that 1.2 wind at his back. This event was really hurt by the "western" boycott. Yes, it was slow.

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    • #3
      Thanks, and apologies for my laziness, I'm should have googled!
      Wells' estimate based on the 10,11 sounds reasonable, but I can't find any wind readings for the QF, or any semi results at all.
      It seems that the "would Wells have won if the US had competed" question has been occasionally discussed here previously..

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      • #4
        wipper had 1.31 wind in his 10.11

        silvio had 0.19 wind in his 10.16

        petrov won 1st semi in 10.39 ( +0.44 )

        wipper won 2nd semi in 10.27 ( +0.44 )


        wipper won final in 10.25 ( +1.11 )

        no doubt he was capable of <10.1 in qf, but later races show he ( & the field ) tightened up badly - one possibilty for such derisory times in semi & final is terror ( i don't recall conditions being worse )

        if he ran this poorly without americans, i dread to think how poorly he may have run if they were there with extra "terror" - maybe lucky to crack 10.5

        other possibilty is that wipper, silvio & to an even greater extent, petrov, weren't "strong 4 round runners" - the first 2 were class of field & even if not strong over 4 rounds, were stronger than the rest & finished 1st/2nd, but coudn't get anywhere near their pbs on 2nd day

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        • #5
          The whole field in the final 'underperformed' in terms of times, not just the top two, so I'd put it down to conditions. IIRC it was a cold night (I think Leonard wore a t-shirt under his vest) and the wind readings for the whole games were misleading due to swirling winds.

          Wells never froze on the big occasion before or after Moscow. He 'tightened up ' at the end of every race he ever ran! I wouldn't put it down to not handling the rounds either. Wells was still running in PB territory days later in the 200 final.

          I've never understood people's confidence that Floyd would have beaten Wells (Sanford clearly would have but he didn't make the team). Floyd ran 10.07 with a +2m/s in Austin. Wells' 10.11 in Moscow compares favourably to that and in their first meeting after Moscow when Wells was past his peak, tired from Moscow and nursing a bad back, Wells won.

          That's not to say that Wells was an Olympic champ to count amongst the greats. It was a poor year for sprinting once Sanford was injured and I doubt Wells could have won any other OG after 1960 (although he'd have got within a whisker of Crawford in 76).

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          • #6
            Thanks again all. Eldrick, do you have a link for those full results please?

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            • #7
              Re: Moscow 1980 m100m Final

              Originally posted by rumbleyoungmanrumble
              Apologies if this has been discussed before, but a simple question that's bugged me for years: why so slow?? Weather? Wind? Timing? Seems strange that Wells was running10,11 in the QF, Petrov 10, 13, and then..?
              Here's the quarter results onwards from our database:

              1980 Final Allan Wells GBR 1 10.25 Wind = 1.2 m/s
              1980 Final Silvio Leonard CUB 2 10.25 Wind = 1.2 m/s
              1980 Final Petar Petrov BUL 3 10.39 Wind = 1.2 m/s
              1980 Final Aleksandr Aksinin URS 4 10.42 Wind = 1.2 m/s
              1980 Final Osvaldo Lara CUB 5 10.43 Wind = 1.2 m/s
              1980 Final Vladimir Muravyev URS 6 10.44 Wind = 1.2 m/s
              1980 Final Marian Woronin POL 7 10.46 Wind = 1.2 m/s
              1980 Final Hermann Panzo FRA 8 10.49 Wind = 1.2 m/s
              1980 Semi, Heat 1 Petar Petrov BUL 1 10.39 Wind = 0.5 m/s
              1980 Semi, Heat 1 Silvio Leonard CUB 2 10.40 Wind = 0.5 m/s
              1980 Semi, Heat 1 Aleksandr Aksinin URS 3 10.45 Wind = 0.5 m/s
              1980 Semi, Heat 1 Hermann Panzo FRA 4 10.45 Wind = 0.5 m/s
              1980 Semi, Heat 1 Don Quarrie JAM 5 10.55 Wind = 0.5 m/s
              1980 Semi, Heat 1 Pietro Mennea ITA 6 10.58 Wind = 0.5 m/s
              1980 Semi, Heat 1 Cameron Sharp GBR =7 10.60 Wind = 0.5 m/s
              1980 Semi, Heat 1 Grégoire Illorson CMR =7 10.60 Wind = 0.5 m/s
              1980 Semi, Heat 2 Allan Wells GBR 1 10.27 Wind = 0.5 m/s
              1980 Semi, Heat 2 Osvaldo Lara CUB 2 10.34 Wind = 0.5 m/s
              1980 Semi, Heat 2 Vladimir Muravyev URS 3 10.42 Wind = 0.5 m/s
              1980 Semi, Heat 2 Marian Woronin POL 4 10.43 Wind = 0.5 m/s
              1980 Semi, Heat 2 James Gilkes GUY 5 10.44 Wind = 0.5 m/s
              1980 Semi, Heat 2 Eugen Ray GDR 6 10.47 Wind = 0.5 m/s
              1980 Semi, Heat 2 Peter Okodogbe NGR 7 10.51 Wind = 0.5 m/s
              1980 Semi, Heat 2 Chris Brathwaite TRI 8 10.54 Wind = 0.5 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 1 Allan Wells GBR 1 10.11 Wind = 1.4 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 1 Petar Petrov BUL 2 10.13 Wind = 1.4 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 1 Osvaldo Lara CUB 3 10.21 Wind = 1.4 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 1 Pietro Mennea ITA 4 10.27 Wind = 1.4 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 1 Hasely Crawford TRI =5 10.28 Wind = 1.4 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 1 Sören Schlegel GDR =5 10.28 Wind = 1.4 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 1 Nelson dos Santos BRA 7 10.45 Wind = 1.4 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 1 Lambros Kefalas GRE 8 10.62 Wind = 1.4 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 2 Silvio Leonard CUB 1 10.16 Wind = 0.2 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 2 Marian Woronin POL 2 10.27 Wind = 0.2 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 2 Eugen Ray GDR 3 10.30 Wind = 0.2 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 2 Chris Brathwaite TRI 4 10.37 Wind = 0.2 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 2 Andrey Shlyapnikov URS 5 10.41 Wind = 0.2 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 2 Théophile Nkounkou CGO 6 10.59 Wind = 0.2 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 2 Hammed Adio NGR 7 10.67 Wind = 0.2 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 2 Katsuhiko Nakaya BRA 8 10.70 Wind = 0.2 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 3 Aleksandr Aksinin URS 1 10.29 Wind = 0.3 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 3 Don Quarrie JAM 2 10.29 Wind = 0.3 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 3 Hermann Panzo FRA 3 10.29 Wind = 0.3 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 3 Peter Okodogbe NGR 4 10.34 Wind = 0.3 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 3 Lech Dunecki POL 5 10.40 Wind = 0.3 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 3 Drew McMaster GBR 6 10.42 Wind = 0.3 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 3 Tomás González CUB 7 10.44 Wind = 0.3 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 3 Gerardo Suero DOM 8 10.57 Wind = 0.3 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 4 James Gilkes GUY 1 10.26 Wind = 0.3 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 4 Grégoire Illorson CMR 2 10.29 Wind = 0.3 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 4 Vladimir Muravyev URS 3 10.34 Wind = 0.3 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 4 Cameron Sharp GBR 4 10.38 Wind = 0.3 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 4 Antoine Richard FRA 5 10.45 Wind = 0.3 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 4 Klaus-Dieter Kurrat GDR 6 10.54 Wind = 0.3 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 4 Krzysztof Zwoliński POL 7 10.54 Wind = 0.3 m/s
              1980 Quarter, Heat 4 Olajidie Oyeledun NGR 8 10.73 Wind = 0.3 m/s

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              • #8
                john

                to a dour scotsman, that moscow weather musta made him feel like he was sprinting in the bahamas !

                it shouda affected leonard a lot more than him, but didn't

                i did think about the fact he set a big pb in 200 final, but it is strictly a different event with different energy expenditures - being strong in 4th run of a 200 doesn't guarantee you to be strong in 4th run of 100 - usually it does, but we have recent example of x-man who is strong as an ox at 200m distance ( 10.09/44.45 on same day at ncaa, but didn't run 200 that meet ) who ran 10.00 in '08 qf, but faded in semi & final

                as for floyd, he might not have been tired as wells, not having run moscow, but also the question is whether floyd & other americans held onto their peak or advanced it from trials knowing that they weren't going to games

                i very much doubt that they held onto their trials form let alone kicked on as it was plainly evident by then the boycott was for real, so i doubt very much wells faced the americans at their peak either ( there is little mileage in argument they held onto their form just for a revenge race after moscow - wells couda easily called it quits for the season after games, so the race was not guaranteed )

                the 1 thing i do see though, is that regardless of conditions, 1 of those 3 americans at least was going to run quicker than 10.25 with a 1.2 in the final - maybe 1 or even 2 may have tightened up, but not all 3

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                • #9
                  Wells and Floyd met three times in August, post-OG

                  Cologne
                  Wells 10.19, Floyd 10.21

                  Zürich
                  Floyd 10.19, Wells 10.30

                  Brussels
                  Floyd 10.27 [Lattany 10.29], Wells 10.31

                  total margin of victory to Floyd of 0.13

                  Floyd gets narrow No. 1 in World Rankings.

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                  • #10
                    The official wind reading for the final was +1.2, but it has been suggested the wind gauge was somehow set up backwards, so that head wind registered as tail wind. IAAF's Olympic stat handbook says the +1.2 reading "was clearly incorrect" and shows -1.2 next to the results.
                    Było smaszno, a jaszmije smukwijne...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by gh
                      Wells and Floyd met three times in August, post-OG

                      Cologne
                      Wells 10.19, Floyd 10.21

                      Zürich
                      Floyd 10.19, Wells 10.30

                      Brussels
                      Floyd 10.27 [Lattany 10.29], Wells 10.31

                      total margin of victory to Floyd of 0.13

                      Floyd gets narrow No. 1 in World Rankings.
                      Few dispute the ranking but we all know that those races tell us little about who would have won had there been no boycott. Just as no sane person can seriously believe Don Paige, ranked No 1 at 800 could have got near the Godlike Genius that was S Ovett in Moscow (he wrote unbiasedly!)

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                      • #12
                        Just a thought - who would've coped best with the Moscow food, accommodation and Soviet mind games at the peak of the Cold War: a hard-bitten 29 year old Scot or an American college kid? As Eldrick suggests, Wells probably felt at home (even if he missed the deep fried confectionary of home).

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by John G
                          (even if he missed the deep fried confectionary of home).
                          Not sure they deep fried confectionary at that time. Pizza for sure. And don't forget the Salt n' Sauce, given he was in Edinburgh.

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                          • #14
                            Marknhj was in Moscow. Perhaps he could tell us what the Village was like.
                            For those of you who missed it check out his account on this forum of Ovett's celebrations on the night of the 800.

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                            • #15
                              Re Wells tying up - my brother says he was there in 1978 when Wells equalled the British record of 10,29, and his 10,15 shortly after, and says Wells was celebrating before he crossed the line both times, no tying up at all. Is this true? It's all before my time, I've done some research, but it seems a huge shame that Wells-Sanford-Lattany-Mennea-Floyd never met when it really mattered.
                              I had a post deleted before, not for something I said, I think, but I still believe that a 26 year old suddenly becoming world class in a couple of months is, er, remarkable.

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