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  • #31
    term -wise, we tend to use "low", "mid" & "high" as a a qualifier for a second time

    logically, those have to be 0.33s ranges, so i'd go with

    low-1'43 = 1'43.01 - 1'43.33
    mid-1'43 = 1'43.33 - 1'43.66
    high-1'43 = 1'43.66 - 1'43.99

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    • #32
      Originally posted by ed gee
      Lomong placed 5th in the 800 at USATF the June following a fourth at NCAA XC.

      Webb was 11th in '01 NCAA XC and has run 1:43 for 800.

      Steve Lacey 5th in 1978.

      (sic?)

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      • #33
        Originally posted by eldrick
        Originally posted by lovetorun
        Originally posted by ed gee
        Lomong placed 5th in the 800 at USATF the June following a fourth at NCAA XC.

        Webb was 11th in '01 NCAA XC and has run 1:43 for 800.
        It would be more accurate to say Webb ran a 1:44 800m than to say 1:43 since 1:43.84 is closer to 1:44. I know...picky, picky, but it's a pet peeve of mine.
        & 9.69 is closer to 10 than 9, so that makes bolt a 10sec guy ?

        Eldrick.....no, you would call him a 9.69 guy...partly because even hundrenth makes a difference in a 100m sprint...

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        • #34
          eh ?

          he's run 9.69

          that makes him a 9.6 guy in common usuage, not a 10s guy as who on earth rounds 100m times to whole seconds ?!

          & 0.01s makes a helluva lotta difference in 800m as well - ask kipketer on 7th july '97

          & 0.01s makes a helluva lotta difference in 5000m as well - ask aouita in '85

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          • #35
            Originally posted by dj
            I doubt they ever met in cross country. The only time they might have would have been at the NCAA champs. Ryun's cross country eligibility period would have been 1965-1969, Liquori's would have been 1967-1971.

            Liquori won the IC4A freshmen race in '67, but I don't think frosh were eligible in cross country that year, and only became eligible for track in the spring of '68.

            Both were on the '68 Olympic team, so I'm fairly certain they redshirted. That leaves only '69, and I see no mention of Liquori running cross country that year (as per the New York Times, which would have been a good source as both the IC4A and NCAA meets were held at Van Cortlandt Park that year).

            As far as I know for certain, Liquori competed in CC only in '67 as a frosh and '71 as a senior (as prep for his 1972 Olympic campaign).
            I was under the impression that freshman became eligible to run varsity for the first time during the 1971-72 academic year which just happened to be my freshman year. I do know that Liquori ran the Freshman 4x400 at Penn Relays in 1968 because he could not run varsity and won his first of many Penn Relays watches at the collegiate level. So I would guess he also could not run varsity cross country in 1967. By the way, the Freshman 4x400 at Penn was run for the last time in 1972 - I know because I ran in it.

            As to Cross Country, I know Liquori did run it in 1971 and Villanova finished in the top three or four. But Ryun had graduated by then, of course.

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            • #36
              Frosh could run varsity in 1969

              In cross country (I'm not sure about track), freshman could run varsity as early as 1969. Prefontaine had some great performances that Autumn of 1969 including a "dead heat" with Lindgren at the PAC 8 I think, and a third at the NCAA at Van Cortland.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Halfmiler2
                I was under the impression that freshman became eligible to run varsity for the first time during the 1971-72 academic year which just happened to be my freshman year. I do know that Liquori ran the Freshman 4x400 at Penn Relays in 1968 because he could not run varsity and won his first of many Penn Relays watches at the collegiate level. So I would guess he also could not run varsity cross country in 1967. By the way, the Freshman 4x400 at Penn was run for the last time in 1972 - I know because I ran in it..
                http://mb.trackandfieldnews.com/discuss ... ligibility

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by eldrick
                  eh ?

                  he's run 9.69

                  that makes him a 9.6 guy in common usuage, not a 10s guy as who on earth rounds 100m times to whole seconds ?!

                  & 0.01s makes a helluva lotta difference in 800m as well - ask kipketer on 7th july '97

                  & 0.01s makes a helluva lotta difference in 5000m as well - ask aouita in '85
                  The "9.6 guy in common usage" thing should not be common usage is my point...either say he is a 9.7 guy (round up) or just give the whole time since hundrenth make a difference in the 100m

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                  • #39
                    well, you maybe the only one here who wants to call a 9.69 guy a "9.7 guy"

                    i've never heard anyone else nomenclaturally downgrade what someone actually clocked...

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