alltime top list

[shoals track]

The following lists are base on many factors-
wins-Olympic,world,etc
rankings-
longevity and how well they would compete
the diffrences in track and what would happen
if they could compete against each other
Larry Bennett
Men- alltime top ten

100
1.Bob Hayes 3.Carl Lewis 3.Jim Hines
4.Jessie Owens 5.Bobby Morrow 6.Maurice Greene
7.Ralph Metcalfe 8.Donovan Bailey 9.Valeriy Borzov
10.Hal Davis
200
1.Michael Johnson 2.Tommie Smith 3.Pietro Mennea
4.Henry Carr 5.Don Quarrie 6.Jessie Owens
7.Mel Patton 8.Frankie Fredericks 9.Carl Lewis
10.Calvin Smith
400
1.Michael Johnson 2.Lee Evans 3.Herb McKinley
4.Butch Reynolds 5.Alberto Juantorena 6.Steve Lewis
7.Otis Davis 8.Larry James 9.Bill Carr
10.Lou Jones
800
1.Peter Snell 2.Sebastian Coe 3.Rudolf Harbig
4.Mal Whitfield 5.Wilson Kipketer 6.Mel Sheppard
7.Douglas Lowe 8.Ted Meredith 9.Roger Moens
10.Dave Wottle
1500/Mile
1.Hiram El Guerrouj 2.Herb Elliott 3.Sebastian Coe
4.Noureddine Morceli 5.Peter Snell 6.John Walker
7.Jim Ryun 8.Gundafr Haag 9.Roger Bannister
10.Kip Keino
Steeplechase
1.Moses Kiptanui 2.Anders Garderud 3.Henry Rono
4.Volarmi Isso-Hollo 5.Gaston Roelants 6.Bronislaw Malinowski
7.Zdislaw Kryzkowiak 8.Horace Ashenfelter 9.Wilson Boit Kipketer
10.Ben Jipcho
5000
1.Vladmir Kuts 2.Said Aouita 3.Ron Clarke
4.Hallie Gebresallie 5.Lasse Viren 6.Paavo Nurmi
7.Emil Zatopek 8.Ville Ritola 9.Ismaei Kurui
10.Kip Keino
10,000
1.Hallie Gebresallie 2.Emil Zatopek 3.Lasse Viren
4.Paavo Nurmi 5.Ron Clarke 6.Vladmir Kuts
7.Mirut Yifter 8.Ville Ritola 9.Billy Mills
10.Nafali Temu
Marathon
1.Abbe Bikila 2.Wlademar Cierpinski 3.Frank Shorter
4.Carlos Lopez 5.Derek Clayton 6.Khalid Kannouchi
7.Paul Tergat 8.Bill Rodgers 9.Jim Peters
10.Abel Anton
20K Walk
1.Vladmir Golubnichiy 2.Daniel Bautista 3.Maurizio Damilano
4.Ernest Canto 5.Peter Frenkel 6.Jozef Pribilenc
7.Jefferson Perez 8.Ken Mathews 9.Hans Reiman
10.Robert Korzeinowski
50K Walker
1.Robert Korzeinowski 2.Raul Gonzales 3.Venjamin Solxdaenko
4.John Ljungren 5.Hartwig Gauder 6.Bernd Kanneberg
7.Abdom Pamich 8.Andrey Perlov 9.Don Thompson
10.Christopher Hohne
110 Hurdles
1.Roger Kingdom 2.Lee Calhoun 3.Rod Milburn
4.Willie Davenport 5.Renaldo Nehemiah 6.Colin Jackson
7.Greg Foster 8.Allen Johnson 9.Harrison Dillard
10.Forrest Towns
400 Hurdles
1.Edwin Moses 2.Glenn Davis 3.John Aki-Bua
4.Kevin Young 5.Dave Hemery 6.Harald Schmid
7.Roy Cochran 8.Glenn Hardin 10.Andre Phillips
10.Harry Hillman
High Jump
1.Valeriy Brumel 2.Javier Sotomayor 3.Dwight Stones
4.John Thomas 5.Gennidiy Avdyenko 6.Dick Fosbury
7.Charlie Dumas 8.Vladmir Yashchenko 9.Jacek Wszola
10.Charles Austin
Pole Vault
1.Sergey Bubka 2.Corneluis Warmerdam 3.Bob Richards
4.Bob Seagren 5.Wolfgang Nordwig 6.Wladslaw Kozakiwicz
7.John Pennel 8.Don Bragg 9.Thierry Vigneron
10.Charles Hoff
Long Jump
1.Carl Lewis 2.Ralph Boston 3.Igor Ter-Ovanesyan
4.Jessie Owens 5.Bob Beamon 6.Ivan Pedroso
7.Mike Powell 8.Randy Williams 9.Greg Bell
10.DeHart Hubbard
Triple Jump
1.Victor Saneyev 2.Ademar da Silva 3.Jozef Schmidt
4.Jonathon Edwards 5.Kenny Harrison 6.Mike Conley
7.Willie Banks 8.Chuhei Nambu 9.Daniel Ahearn
10.Naoto Tajima
Shot Put
1.Parry O'Brien 2.Ulf Timmermann 3,Udo Beyer
4.Randy Matson 5.Randy Barnes 6.Dallas Long
7.Jack Torrance 8.Wernor Gunthor 9.Bill Neider
10.Brian Oldfield
Discus Throw
1.Al Oerter 2.Mac Wikins 3.Lars Reidel
4.Jay Silvester 5.Fortune Gordien 6.Adolfo Consolini
7.Jurgen Schult 8.Ludvik Danek 9.Wolfgang Schmidt
10.Bud Houser
Hammer Throw
1.Yuriy Syedikh 2.Hal Connolly 3.John Flanagan
4.Gyula Szivotzky 5.Anotoily Bondarchuk 10.Sergey Litvinov
7.Pat O'Callaghan 8.Mikhail Krivonsov 9.Karl Hans Reihm
10.Andrey Abduyallyev
Javelin Throw
1.Jan Zelezny 2.Janis Lusis 3.Matti Jarvinen
4.Erik Lemming 5.Uwe Hohn 6.Janusz Sidlo
7.Bud Held 8.Klaus Wolfermann 10.Egil Danielson
Decathalon
1.Daley Thompson 2.Bob Mathias 3.Rafer Johnson
4.Jim Thorpe 5.Bruce Jenner 6.Nikolay Avilov
7.Tomas Dvorak 8.Dan O'Brien 9.Bill Toomey
10.Glenn Morris























Women-All Time Top Ten

100
1.Florence Griffith-Joyner 2.Marlies Gohr 3.Evelyn Ashford
4.Wyomia Tyus 5.Gail Devers 6.Renate Stecher
7.Marion Jones 8.Wilma Rudolph 9.Marjorie Jackson
10.Helen Stephans
200
1.Marita Koch 2.Irena Szewinska 3.Merlene Ottey
4.Florence giriffith Joyner 5.Barbel Eckert 6.Betty Cuthbert
7.Gwen Torrence 8.Renate Stecher 9.Fannie Blankers-Koen
10.Marion Jones
400
1.Marita Koch 2.Irene Szewinska 3.Marie Jose Perec
4.Jarmia Kratchovilova 5.Cathey Freeman 6.Maria Itkina
7.Olga Bryzgina 8.Sim Kim Dan 9.Monika Zehert
10.Colette Beeson
800
1.Maria Mutola 2.Nadyezhda Olizaryenko 3.Jarmila Kratchovilova
4.Anna Quirot 5.HIldegafrd Falck 6.Nina Otkalenko
7.Sim Kim Dan 8.Sigrun Wodars 9.Lydumila Shevtosva
10.Yedokiya Vasliyeva
1500
1.Tatane Kazankina 2.Lyudmila Bragina 3.Tatyae Samolenko
4.Qu Junxia 5.Gunhild Hoffemeister 6.Doina Melente
7.Sveltana Masterkova 8.Karin Burnliet 9.Mary Decker Slaney
10.Hassiba Boulmera
3000
1.Lydumila Bragina 2.Tatyane Kazankina 3.Tatyane Samolenko
4.Wang Junxia 5.Grete Waitz 6.Mary Decker-Slaney
7.Sveltlana Ulmasova 8.Maricia Puica 9.Zhang lili
10.Gabrielle Szabo
5000
1.Gabrielle Szabo 2.Ingrid Kristiansen 3.Wang Junxia
4.Sonia O'Sullivan 5.Fernanda Riberio 6.Zola Budd
10,000
1.Ingrid Kristiansen 2.Wang Junxia 3.Olga Bodareno
4.Deragtu Tulu 5.Gete Wami 6.Fernanda Ribero
7.Zhung Hundi 8.Liz McCoglan 9.Mary Decker-Slaney
10.Sally Barosio
Marathon
1.Paula Radcliff 2.Grete Waitz 3.Joan Beniot
4.Ingrid Kiristianen 5.Rosa Mota 6.Jacqueline Hansen
7.Catherine Nderba 8.Wanda Panfil 9.Christa Vahlenseick
10.Patty Catalano
Walks
1.Irina Stankina 2.Yelona Nikolayeva 3.Mary Nilsson
4.Linnea Olsson 5.Ingrid Johansson 6.Margaret Simu
7.Ghen Yueling 8.Olympiada Ivanova 9.Kerry Saxby
10.Sari Essayh
110 Hurdles
1.Gail Devers 2.Yondanka Donova 3.Shirley de la Hunty
4.Karen Balzer 5.Anneliese Erhardt 6.Irina Press
7.Johanna Klier 8.Grayene Rabsztyn 9.Mildred Didrickson
10.Ludmila Engqvist
400 Hurdles
1.Sally Gunnell 2.Tatyane Ledovskaya 3.Kim Batten
4.Nezha Bidouane 5.Deon Hemmings 6.Sandra Farmer-Patrick
7.Karin Rossley 8.Tatyane Zelentsova 9.Sabine Busch
10.Marina Steypanova
High Jump
1.Stefa Kostadinova 2.Iolandra Balas 3.Rosemarie Ackermann
4.Ulrike Meyfarth 5.Sare Simeoni 6.Tamara Bykova
7.Dorothy Odom-Tyler 8.Jean Shiley 9.Mildred Didrickson
10.Louise Ritter
Pole Vault
1.Stacy Dragila 2.Sveltane Feofanova 3.Emma George
4.Caiyun Sun 5.Chunon Zhang 6.Taitana Grigoreva
Long Jump
1.Heike Dreschsler 2.Elizbeit Krezinka 3.Jackie Joyner-Kersee
4.Tatyane Shchelkanova 5.Mary Rand 6.Anisoara Cusmir
7.Yvette Williams 8.Angela Voigt 9.Flona May
10.Vilma Barduskiene
Triple Jump
1.Inessa Kravets 2.Anna Biryukova 3.Tatyane Lebedeva
4.Iva Prandzheva 5.Galina Chistyakova 6.Terez Marinova
7.Sarka Kasparkova 8.Huring Li 9.Paraskevi Tsimmata
10.Asha Hansen
Shot Put
1.Nazezhda Chizova 2.Tamara Press 3.Galine Zybina
4.Natalya Lisovskaya 5.Ilona Slupianek 6.Helene Fibingerova
7.Margitta Gummell 8.Artis Kumbermuss 9.Geisla Mauermayer
10.Huang Zhihong
Discus Throw
1.Faina Melenik 2.Tamara Press 3.Nina Dumbadze
4.Evelin Jahl 5.Liesel Westermann 6.Lillian Copeland
7.Ellina Zvara 8.Giesla Mauermayer 9.Nina Ponomaryova
10.Martina Hellmann
Hammer Throw
1.Olga Kuzenkova 2.Mihaela Melinte 3.Kamila Skoilmowska
4.Svetna Sudek 5.Lyudmila Gukina 6.Lisa Misipeka
Javelin Throw
1.Ruth Fuchs 2.Petra Felke 3.Elivra Ozolina
4.Trine Hattstead 5.Dana Zatopokova 6.Miheala Penes
7.Fatima Whitbread 8.Mirei Tzelli 9.Mildred Didrickson
10.Herma Bauma
Penthalon/Hepthalon
1.Jackie Joyner-Kersee 2.Irina Press 3.Ramona Neubert
4.Burlinde Pollak 5.Giesla Mauermayer 6.Ghad Shousa
7.Sigrun Siegl 8.Nadezhda Tkachenko 9.Mary Peters
10.Aleksandra Chudina

[morgan st /wsatch]

Re: alltime top list

This is a lot of work! CONGRATS.

[hj197steve]

Re: alltime top list

have 100 people make up such listings, and you'll get 100 different results. Yours look very interesting.... looking just at the men, the only 2 that are clearly wrong IMHO are Allen Johnson 8th in the HH, no way he's lower than 2, and Randy Matson 4th in the SP, no way he's lower than 2nd. But thanks, it's good stuff to look at.

[Per Andersen]

Re: alltime top list

Yes, lots of work went into this and nice to look at but Larry james in 7th and no Rhoden. No Juantorena in the 800 and Allen Johnson back in 7th??? and no Carl in the 200.

[5k Guy]

Re: alltime top list

Larry,

Great job! That must have been a tremendous task to work through. I always like seeing other people's opinions in this type of thing.

My list would probably look different. Here are a few areas I would have disagreement.

1) Not sure calvin Smith would have made my top 10 at 200m.

2) Wottle made your top 10 in the 800m but Juantorena didn't??????????

3) Coe at #3 in the 1500 but Ovett not in the top 10?

4) Cierpinski at # 2 in the marathon. Too high.

5) Allen Jackson only at #8 in the 110 HH?

6) Decker-Slaney ranked at 10k? She was #1 ranked in world in 1982 (on off Olympic and WC year) and was never again ranked in the top 10. Superb runner but not deserving of a top 10 at this distance.

7) I'm a huge fan of Patti Catalano but to have her in the top 10 and not have Valentina Yegorova is not right.

Of course all of this is in my opinion.

Thanks again for the thought provoking lists.

[eldrick]

Re: alltime top list

the King 9th in the 200 ???

i don't think so !

[Rob]

Re: alltime top list

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[az2]

Re: alltime top list

I agree with previous posters, enjoying the list.

Many on it I haven't seen so, I can't comment on anyone prior to 1968, except only by reputation

Kannouchi 6th in the marathon?

I'd prefer those with Olympic and World titles over those with WR, but that's just my preference.

[79.]

Re: alltime top list

Tommie SMITH among the top two all-time quarter-
milers...

[hj197steve]

Re: alltime top list

>
Tommie SMITH among the top two all-time quarter-
milers...

no, I agree with him on that. One great WR race is not enough. He has Bill Carr at 9th, he set a WR and won an OG title at the same time. So he's ahead of Tommie as are some of the others... but surely not Larry James.

[gh]

Re: alltime top list

Larry James in but Quincy Watts not?!

[Guest]

Re: alltime top list

I think the whole point of such lists is to invite comment and get people discussing things. It is obviously a bit of work but someone has to do the first list. As in any hobby publication, you would get no feedback (or little) by just issuing some statement to the effect "I am working on ....., anyone having information on the subject, contact me at .....". In philately, if you publish a handbook on just about any topic, you must be prepared for edition 2, because nothing gets information out of the woodwork like exposing what you have found.

[79.]

Re: alltime top list

hj197 Steve,
Had you ever heard of him, before?
To resume: Tommie SMITH was the highest all-
time 400 potential, a supertalent you meet
once in a life.

[hj197steve]

Re: alltime top list

"potential" does not get you ranked on a list such as this, results do. Yes I certainly agree that Tommie Smith MIGHT have done all sorts of things in the 400, but all he actually did, as an individual in the 400, was run one super race.

[hj197steve]

Re: alltime top list

>Larry James in but Quincy Watts not?!

makes no sense, absolutely. I've said it once, said it twice.... Larry James is a super guy, great advocate for the sport, etc. but does not belong in the HOF, either does Charles Jenkins. Someone likes quarter milers too much.