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  • mrbowie
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    What if Bill Brasky had a javelin coach, how in the hell far would he have tossed that toothpick? About 880 feet would be my guess. Brasky went about 8'4" and 660 pounds.

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  • scratchman
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    What if....
    Gatlin hadn't been banned, and the U.S. 4X100 was:
    Patton
    Dix
    Gay
    Gatlin

    ....would we have beaten the Jamaicans?

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  • liuxuan
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    WHAT IF.........

    pivalova or torrence, or BOTH, had decided to let ottey amd devers share the limelight in stuttgart 93 and went for the 400m - they would have definately won in my view!! and would have had some battle if they had raced each other!

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  • runforlife
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    Originally posted by Dave
    What if Bob Seagren had been able to use his own poles in Munich?
    Excellent point!

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  • Dave
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    What if Bob Seagren had been able to use his own poles in Munich?

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  • CookyMonzta
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    Didn't Hayes run a wind-aided 9.9x (I think it was 9.94) in the semis before that 10.06?

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  • EPelle
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    1 9 9 1 ... Tokyo ...

    Track was fan-friendly, no?

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  • scratchman
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    Originally posted by Texas
    Originally posted by scratchman
    Originally posted by Texas
    How 'bout 10.2 on even worse dirt, malnourished, inferior shoes, and NO BLOCKS.
    ....What does that tell you?
    And Hayes running 9.86 in '84 is extreme speculation.
    No way he betters Lewis.

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    Worst dirt...hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

    I will stack my speed freakie-ness up against anyones. I know all about Owens, Hayes and Lewis. In my opinion, all things being equal Bob Hayes was the superior athlete and 100m man. There is nothing you can say will that will change my mind...ok?
    So what's "bad" dirt then? :roll:
    LOL!!!!!!!!
    Lemme put it this way- whatever less than ideal 'conditions' Hayes ran under, Owens endured a helluva lot worse....dont try to argue that, please! Apparently its okay to hype Hayes' circumstances, but not Owens', huh? And why do you keep dancing back and forth like Mr. Bojangles between Hayes and Lewis. I already told you I thought Hayes would likely beat Owens. My stance is about Lewis. No way Hayes beats him. And you cant hype him up enough to change my mind.....OKAY?!?!LOL
    If Hayes at 22 can run a 10.06 on a dirt track where lane 1 was a shambles. I have no doubts he can beat Lewis in 84-88 at around 25-28 on a fast track. He was just as physical imposing if not more so. He'd had more success in the 60, meaning he had a start. He could sustain the speed because he was also a 200m WR holder. All he needed was the advantages 80's sprinters had over 60's sprinters.
    Thats a HUGE jump!
    Saying Hayes' dirt 10.06 converts to 9.8's and beating Lewis is extreme, dude.
    I think youre too impressed with Hayes' physique and athletic prowess during the 60's. Youre not even considering how primed Lewis was. Not only was he a supreme natural runner, his race technique- particularly his top end, was umatched by ANYONE in his era or PRIOR. I give Hayes alot of credit. He certainly wouldve been a dominate sprinter. But I liken him to Leroy Burrell as an 80's guy, or Shawn Crawford in the millenium. I see Lewis as Justin Gatlin.
    He was simply too masterful at winning championships.
    ...The '91 World's tells me everything I need to know about who was better.

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  • Texas
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    Originally posted by EPelle
    Originally posted by Texas
    Originally posted by EPelle
    So if Lewis beat Johnson, and Smith beat Johnson - in consecutive races, then it shouldn't be about Lewis, but Johnson, no?
    Huh.????
    A fan watching Lewis lose to Johnson in Zürich wasn't as big a deal considering Johnson lost his next race as well, I surmise.
    Other than his Oly win in 88, Johnson's best years were 86/87. He was ranked number one in the world and was beating Lewis. I don't have 87 handy I do have 86. Johnson won Zurich in 10.03 Lewis came in third in a sliggish 10.25. At the Goodwill Games Johnson won in9.95, Lewis took third in 10.06.

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  • Texas
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    Originally posted by scratchman
    Originally posted by Texas
    How 'bout 10.2 on even worse dirt, malnourished, inferior shoes, and NO BLOCKS.
    ....What does that tell you?
    And Hayes running 9.86 in '84 is extreme speculation.
    No way he betters Lewis.

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    Worst dirt...hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

    I will stack my speed freakie-ness up against anyones. I know all about Owens, Hayes and Lewis. In my opinion, all things being equal Bob Hayes was the superior athlete and 100m man. There is nothing you can say will that will change my mind...ok?
    So what's "bad" dirt then? :roll:
    LOL!!!!!!!!
    Lemme put it this way- whatever less than ideal 'conditions' Hayes ran under, Owens endured a helluva lot worse....dont try to argue that, please! Apparently its okay to hype Hayes' circumstances, but not Owens', huh? And why do you keep dancing back and forth like Mr. Bojangles between Hayes and Lewis. I already told you I thought Hayes would likely beat Owens. My stance is about Lewis. No way Hayes beats him. And you cant hype him up enough to change my mind.....OKAY?!?!LOL
    If Hayes at 22 can run a 10.06 on a dirt track where lane 1 was a shambles. I have no doubts he can beat Lewis in 84-88 at around 25-28 on a fast track. He was just as physical imposing if not more so. He'd had more success in the 60, meaning he had a start. He could sustain the speed because he was also a 200m WR holder. All he needed was the advantages 80's sprinters had over 60's sprinters.

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  • EPelle
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    Originally posted by Texas
    Originally posted by EPelle
    So if Lewis beat Johnson, and Smith beat Johnson - in consecutive races, then it shouldn't be about Lewis, but Johnson, no?
    Huh.????
    A fan watching Lewis lose to Johnson in Zürich wasn't as big a deal considering Johnson lost his next race as well, I surmise.

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  • scratchman
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    Originally posted by Texas
    How 'bout 10.2 on even worse dirt, malnourished, inferior shoes, and NO BLOCKS.
    ....What does that tell you?
    And Hayes running 9.86 in '84 is extreme speculation.
    No way he betters Lewis.

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    Worst dirt...hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

    I will stack my speed freakie-ness up against anyones. I know all about Owens, Hayes and Lewis. In my opinion, all things being equal Bob Hayes was the superior athlete and 100m man. There is nothing you can say will that will change my mind...ok?
    So what's "bad" dirt then? :roll:
    LOL!!!!!!!!
    Lemme put it this way- whatever less than ideal 'conditions' Hayes ran under, Owens endured a helluva lot worse....dont try to argue that, please! Apparently its okay to hype Hayes' circumstances, but not Owens', huh? And why do you keep dancing back and forth like Mr. Bojangles between Hayes and Lewis. I already told you I thought Hayes would likely beat Owens. My stance is about Lewis. No way Hayes beats him. And you cant hype him up enough to change my mind.....OKAY?!?!LOL

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  • Texas
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    Originally posted by EPelle
    So if Lewis beat Johnson, and Smith beat Johnson - in consecutive races, then it shouldn't be about Lewis, but Johnson, no?
    Huh.????

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  • EPelle
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    So if Lewis beat Johnson, and Smith beat Johnson - in consecutive races, then it shouldn't be about Lewis, but Johnson, no?

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  • Texas
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    Originally posted by EPelle
    Wasn't Johnson also beaten by Calvin Smith in either Zürich and/or Köln? I thought he then went home to hone in on the Olympics, going down something like 3kg...
    In 88 Johnson lost to both Lewis and Smith in Zurich. He also lost to Smith and Mitchell in Cologne running a 10.29. He'd run...

    9.90w
    9.98a
    10.00
    10.29
    10.20
    10.38
    9.79dq


    ...in 88.

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