With the Texas Relays...

[Texas]

....here, it got me thinking about...

4x1

lane

1.UTEP...Jerome Deal..Olapade Adenikin..Churandy Martina..Oba Thompson
2.Tex So...Henry Neal..Robert Taylor..Renaldo Dawson..Jimmy Hines
3.Tex A&M...Andre Cason..Rod Richardson..Floyd Heard..Curtis Dickey
4.Houston..Stanley Floyd..Leroy Burrell..Joe DeLoach..Carl Lewis
5.TCU..Jon Drummond..Michael Frater...Kim Collins..Ray Stewart
6.ACU...Micky Grimes..Mark Witherspoon..Bobby Morrow..Chris Van Wyk
7.Texas...Jamaal Charles...Tony Jones..Brendan Christian..Johnny Jones
8.Baylor...Bruce Davis...Kermit Ward...Michael Johnson..Jacob Norman

110hh

lane

1.Brian Amos...ACU
2.Jon Ridgeon...SMU
3.Ubeja Anderson...Hous
4.Larry Wade...Tex A&M
5.Henry Andrade...SMU
6.Cletus Clarke...Hous
7.Michael Timpson...Tex So
8.Marlon Odom..Tex Tech

100m

lane

1.Robert Taylor...Tex So
2.Bobby Morrow..ACU
3.Kim Collins...TCU
4.Andre Cason...Tex A&M
5.Stanley Floyd...Hous
6.Jimmy Hines...Tex So
7.Raymond Stewart...TCU
8.Leroy Burrell...Hous

400m

lane

1.Bert Cameron...UTEP
2.Ian Morris...ACU
3.Fred Newhouse...PV
4.Darold Williamson...Baylor
5.Curtis Mills...Tex So
6.Michael Paul...Tex
7.Jeremy Wariner...Baylor
8.Lewis Banta...TCU

long jump

Carl Lewis...Hous
Kevin Dilworth...ACU
Eric Metcalf...Tex
Bob Beamon...UTEP
Paul Emordi...Tex So
K.S.Thompson..Rice
Randy Duncan...Tex
Felix Mass...UTEP

200m

lane

1.Kirk Baptiste...Hous
2.Roy Martin...SMU
3.Jeff Williams...PV
4.Joe DeLoach..Hous
5.Oba Thompson..UTEP
6.Darvis Patton...TCU
7.Churandy Martina...UTEP
8.Floyd Heard...Tex A&M

4x4

lane

1.PV...Alvin Dotson..Livingston Roach..Derek Lenear..Fred Newhouse
2.Tex A&M...Danny McCray..Derrick Florence..Howard Davis...Curtis Mills
3.SMU...Leslie Brooks...Roy Martin...Rod Jones...Kevin Robinzine
4.Baylor...Jeremy Wariner...Darold Williamson...Raymond Pierre..MJ
5.Tex...Peter Graham...D.Jadejo...Johnny Jones...Michael Paul
6.TCU...Jerry Harris..Marlin Cannon..Kanaveos Robinson...Lewis Banta
7.Tex So...Moses Ugbisie..R.E.Taylor...Harold Maddox..Seymour Newman
8.ACU...Kempa Busby..Charles Phillips..Arthur Williams..Ian Morris


Football 40

lane

1.Jamaal Charles...Tex/Cheifs
2.Homer Jones...Tex So.Giants
3.Johnny Jones...Tex/Jets
4.Darrel Green...Tex A&I/Redskins
5.Herkie Walls...Tex/Oilers
6.Curtis Dickey...Tex A&M/Colts
7.Tony Jones...Tex/Oilers
8.Rocky Thompson...West Texas State/Giants

What a track meet.

[scratchman]

Nice list.
Couple of things, though...
Michael Cannon ran at TCU. Marlin is his younger brother. He ran for Barton County and St. Augustine.
And I'd go with Greg Sholars opposed to Frater on TCU's all time 4X1. I understand if you were basing it on pro status, though. But Greg was a backbone on all those great 4X1's and 4X2's in the 80's and NCAA 60 and 100m qualifier(and my former coach :wink: ). Either way, its a great list.
You cant go wrong.

[Texas]

Nice list.
Couple of things, though...
Michael Cannon ran at TCU. Marlin is his younger brother. He ran for Barton County and St. Augustine.
And I'd go with Greg Sholars opposed to Frater on TCU's all time 4X1. I understand if you were basing it on pro status, though. But Greg was a backbone on all those great 4X1's and 4X2's in the 80's and NCAA 60 and 100m qualifier(and my former coach :wink: ). Either way, its a great list.
You cant go wrong.

All this time I thought "Marlin" had transferred. Thanx

I cheat when I do these "fantasy" type deals. I go with what the athlete accomplished in his career as opposed to what he accually accomplished while an NCAA athlete. I'm hep to Scholars and see your point. TCU (as you know) could run three quality 4x1 teams, they've had that kind of sprint success. Only school with six sub 10.00 sprinters among the alumni.

Stewart
Frater
Spencer
Collins
Patton
Drummond

now add..

Phil Epps
Greg Scholars
Donovan Powell
Leroy Reid
Andrew Smith
Bill Collins

Who am I forgeting?

Add..Roscoe Tatum

[gm]

James Maness

[Texas]

James Maness

He was a pretty good footballer but not sure his track exploits are up to the level I'm talking about here.

[gm]

Roscoe Tatum was also a key player in those blazing relays

[Texas]

Roscoe Tatum was also a key player in those blazing relays

Yep, he should be there and will be

[TrackDaddy]

Nice list.
Couple of things, though...
Michael Cannon ran at TCU. Marlin is his younger brother. He ran for Barton County and St. Augustine.
And I'd go with Greg Sholars opposed to Frater on TCU's all time 4X1. I understand if you were basing it on pro status, though. But Greg was a backbone on all those great 4X1's and 4X2's in the 80's and NCAA 60 and 100m qualifier(and my former coach :wink: ). Either way, its a great list.
You cant go wrong.

Is Greg still coaching at TCU?

I saw him at their Invite a couple of weeks ago and he was wearing purple and setting hurdles.

[scratchman]

Nice list.
Couple of things, though...
Michael Cannon ran at TCU. Marlin is his younger brother. He ran for Barton County and St. Augustine.
And I'd go with Greg Sholars opposed to Frater on TCU's all time 4X1. I understand if you were basing it on pro status, though. But Greg was a backbone on all those great 4X1's and 4X2's in the 80's and NCAA 60 and 100m qualifier(and my former coach :wink: ). Either way, its a great list.
You cant go wrong.

Is Greg still coaching at TCU?

I saw him at their Invite a couple of weeks ago and he was wearing purple and setting hurdles.

I didn't know he was coaching at TCU!
Wow! If so, I'm glad. He's a great coach and person.
Coached me and my workout partner when we were collegiates.
Hadn't talked to him in a couple of years. He really should be coaching, so I'm glad if he's back in the game.

[Grandpa3804]

Re: With the Texas Relays...

Sorry guys but TCU's all time 4x1 would be: 1.J Drummond 2.Percival Spencer 3.Kim Collins 4.Ray Stewart.

[Avante]

Re: With the Texas Relays...

Sorry guys but TCU's all time 4x1 would be: 1.J Drummond 2.Percival Spencer 3.Kim Collins 4.Ray Stewart.

How is Spencer a more accomplished sprinter than Darvis Patton/Michael Frater?

[Grandpa3804]

Re: With the Texas Relays...

You obviously are not familiar with Perci body of work while at TCU. As a matter of fact the only person to beat Perci while he was at TCU was Oba-drive Thompson during his 2 yrs tat TCU while healthy. Perci was a stud and between 97 and 2000 there were alot of studs to come through TCU. As a body i dont know if there has ever been a greater collection of talent in a four year period when it comes to sprints. Perci was the fastest of them all.

[Avante]

Re: With the Texas Relays...

You obviously are not familiar with Perci body of work while at TCU. As a matter of fact the only person to beat Perci while he was at TCU was Oba-drive Thompson during his 2 yrs tat TCU while healthy. Perci was a stud and between 97 and 2000 there were alot of studs to come through TCU. As a body i dont know if there has ever been a greater collection of talent in a four year period when it comes to sprints. Perci was the fastest of them all.

Spencer made but one NCAA 100m final while at TCU. It was in 1998. He took 4th behind Mills, Holloway (felllow Horned Frog) and Hooker. So it looks like others besides Thompson did beat him.

Being that was a fantasy 4x1 above, it was more about alumni that actual NCAA dealings. All these guys have done more in the 100m than Percival Spencer.

Jon Drummond
Darvis Patton
Kim Collins
Michael Frater
Ray Stewart

Since Spencer was a sub10.00 that does make TCU the only school that has produced six sub10.00 sprinters.

Then there was San Jose State. In a 4 year period...

Tommie Smith...WR 200/400/Oly 200m gold
Ronnie Ray Smith...WR 9.9/Oly 4x1 gold
Lee Evans...WR400/Oly 400m/4x4 gold
John Carlos...WR100yd/Oly 200m bronze

now add...

Sam Davis...NCAA 4x1 gold
Kirk Clayton..NCAA 4x1 gold

From 1959-1970 no school compares (meaning in a 10-12 year span) to SJS, those mentioned above and...

Dennis Johnson...WR 9.3/Jamaica Olympian
Ray Norton...WR100 & 200/Olympian
Bobby Poynter...nationally ranked
Jimmy Omegemi...Nigerian Olympian
Wayne Herman..9.4

[Grandpa3804]

Re: With the Texas Relays...

You obviously are not familiar with Perci body of work while at TCU. As a matter of fact the only person to beat Perci while he was at TCU was Oba-drive Thompson during his 2 yrs tat TCU while healthy. Perci was a stud and between 97 and 2000 there were alot of studs to come through TCU. As a body i dont know if there has ever been a greater collection of talent in a four year period when it comes to sprints. Perci was the fastest of them all.

Spencer made but one NCAA 100m final while at TCU. It was in 1998. He took 4th behind Mills, Holloway (felllow Horned Frog) and Hooker. So it looks like others besides Thompson did beat him.

Being that was a fantasy 4x1 above, it was more about alumni that actual NCAA dealings. All these guys have done more in the 100m than Percival Spencer.

Jon Drummond
Darvis Patton
Kim Collins
Michael Frater
Ray Stewart

Since Spencer was a sub10.00 that does make TCU the only school that has produced six sub10.00 sprinters.

Then there was San Jose State. In a 4 year period...

Tommie Smith...WR 200/400/Oly 200m gold
Ronnie Ray Smith...WR 9.9/Oly 4x1 gold
Lee Evans...WR400/Oly 400m/4x4 gold
John Carlos...WR100yd/Oly 200m bronze

now add...

Sam Davis...NCAA 4x1 gold
Kirk Clayton..NCAA 4x1 gold

From 1959-1970 no school compares (meaning in a 10-12 year span) to SJS, those mentioned above and...

Dennis Johnson...WR 9.3/Jamaica Olympian
Ray Norton...WR100 & 200/Olympian
Bobby Poynter...nationally ranked
Jimmy Omegemi...Nigerian Olympian
Wayne Herman..9.4

Avante you missed the part about "while healthy". Spencer was hurt in 1998 and didnt run on the record breaking relay most (only twice during the year specifically) of the year because of it. Spencer was a rare talent that could run 10.4 with a bad hammy. None of the guys you mentioned except for Raymond ran faster than Perci while in college. I will say this in Docs defense, he ran 4 events every weekend. If he had been in a situation where he could have just focused on the speed events rather than the jumps relays and everything else he did he would be the closest to competeing with Perci. If you ask anyone from TCU that is familiar with the situation 10 out of 10 times they'll tell you the same. Also in reference to Spencers NCAA finals i would say look at the 97 finals in Bloomington. Let me know what you find.

[Avante]

Re: With the Texas Relays...

Here is 1997....

Obadele Thompson University of Texas at El Paso 10.13 10 -0.8
David Bobb University of Maryland, Baltimore County 10.21 8 -0.8
Tony McCall North Carolina Central University 10.35 6 -0.8
Carlton Chambers Clemson University 10.40 5 -0.8
John George Southern University, Baton Rouge 10.41 4 -0.8
Jason Shelton University of Southern California 10.44 3 -0.8
Ronnie Powell N.W. State 10.47 2 -0.8
Chris Cummings Louisiana State University 10.48 1 -0.8
James Duncan Illinois State University 10.65 -0.8

What am I suppose to be seeing?

The NCAA record 4x1
38.04 Texas Christian University Amherst 05.06.1998
Bryan Howard
Jarmiene Holloway
Syan Williams
Percival Spencer

You sure you know about Mr.Spencer?