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  • mrbowie
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    Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, Jim Ryun. . .Icons.

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  • kuha
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    No problem, bro. Just hated to see a good man twisting, twisting slowly in the wind...

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  • dukehjsteve
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    Originally posted by kuha
    OK, I am happy to announce that poor HJSteve has been pummeled enough about this; he has confessed, and all is forgiven!
    Thank you kuha. At least I have one friend ! And a personal note... heading back to Boulder in a few days to see the next 2 generations. Seems like just yesterday that we met at the CC Nats. out there.

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  • kuha
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    OK, I am happy to announce that poor HJSteve has been pummeled enough about this; he has confessed, and all is forgiven!

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  • Swensen
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    Originally posted by dukehjsteve
    Originally posted by mrbowie
    Originally posted by dukehjsteve
    If only he had stayed out of politics so I could have continued to like him....
    As I have matured, I have been able to make a separate peace with athletes whose personal opinions and politics are opposite of mine, and been able tro appreciate what they did in their individual endeavors and leave the other stuff behind.
    Oh, me too. I was just having a little fun. Diversity of opinions, etc. is what this country is all about and I am quite glad it is that way.
    Originally a Jim Ryun thread, the dukehjsteve installment demands equal attention.

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  • dukehjsteve
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    Originally posted by mrbowie
    Originally posted by dukehjsteve
    If only he had stayed out of politics so I could have continued to like him....
    As I have matured, I have been able to make a separate peace with athletes whose personal opinions and politics are opposite of mine, and been able tro appreciate what they did in their individual endeavors and leave the other stuff behind.
    Oh, me too. I was just having a little fun. Diversity of opinions, etc. is what this country is all about and I am quite glad it is that way.

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  • Swensen
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    Jim Ryun influenced a generation or US runners. Our HS track coach was a good man but was a clueless assistant football rent-a-coach. I lived out in the sticks where our information came from T+F print news. I read about Ryun's HS/Kansas workouts which were difficult to believe (he ran like 15 quarter intervals under 62 in a morning session and rested and then ran an equally demanding afternoon session). I was inspired and started running before school, then running the school workout, and sometimes running local hills in evening. Ryun was obviously a gifted runner, but he trained to a punishing schedule and his workouts introduced many of us to 'modern' training. Like others, I ignore Ryun's politics; a few years back he ran a local Wash D.C. race and I would have celebrated every step to jog beside this reverential athlete.

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  • mrbowie
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    Originally posted by Conor Dary
    Originally posted by dukehjsteve
    If only he had stayed out of politics so I could have continued to like him....
    I loved Mike Ditka as a coach, but when he was courted by the GOP to run against Obama in 2004, he talked of some of the biggest nonsense.
    I was really glad when he pulled out, primarily because he would have to give up his big endorsements, even though he would have been destroyed by the O-man.
    The GOP blew it with Ditka, because they could have run Bill Brasky, who would have overpowered Ditka, Blago and even Obama. Brasky went about 8'4" and 760 pounds. The timber in his voice broke the sound barrier on more than one occasion. . .

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  • mrbowie
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    Originally posted by dukehjsteve
    If only he had stayed out of politics so I could have continued to like him....
    As I have matured, I have been able to make a separate peace with athletes whose personal opinions and politics are opposite of mine, and been able tro appreciate what they did in their individual endeavors and leave the other stuff behind.

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  • jhc68
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    Interesting letter. Read some ot the workouts that Ryun did back in the mid-60's and there is no doubt that his success was due to an ability to endure training regimes that would have destroyed most others (and apparently did, in some instances). Couldn't the same be said for any one of the truly great milers?

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  • no one
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    posted on lets run by Ryun's son (Drewr) I believe: (In response to a controversial article in RW)

    I thought you all would be interested in reading dad's reply to Runner's World. We'll see if they print any of it in the next edition.
    Watcke! Great to see you are alive (and I hope well).


    "As I read the recent Runner’s World story on Coach Timmons, I was struck by the courage Coach Timmons displayed in allowing the writer to interview him during one of the most vulnerable times in his life. Some who have dementia don’t go out in public let alone allow themselves to be interviewed by someone who clearly had another motive than to record Coach’s outstanding accomplishments. Typical of Timmie, he made himself available to someone who obviously lacks a mature understanding of one man’s gift to the world of track and field. Coach is to be commended for his willingness to be interviewed in his home with Pat by his side.
    I lived through many of the years referenced in the Runner’s World article. I recall one summer when I lived with the Timmons family in their Lawrence, KS farmhouse in order to train for the 1964 Olympics. They welcomed me as a member of their family. I treasure the nearly 50 years that I’ve known the Timmons family as a student athlete and now as lifelong friends. Timmie and Pat are grandparents to our children, great grandparents to our grandchildren and Godparents to our son, Ned. We have celebrated many holidays and family events together. Yes, there were those who didn’t “make it” under the Timmon’s program, but the larger number of us did, and became not just better athletes, but more importantly, better human beings.
    Cliff Cushman, a KU great, silver medalist at 400 meters in the 1960 Rome Olympics once wrote, “Unless your reach exceeds your grasp, how will you know what you can achieve?” Coach believed in this principle and applied it daily to our workouts. He wanted the best for each of his athletes, and while he wanted them to win in their individual event, he was more concerned about the character and well-being of the athlete.
    While the writer attempted to capture the Timmon’s years by allowing athletes to tell their story, he failed to make some very important points. First, he selectively chose the athletes who did not enjoy all the success they’d hoped for in Timmie’s program (with the exception of Steve Heffernan). Where are the quotes from guys like Bill Lundberg, George Mason and others who had great success under the Timmon’s system? A coach, any coach, has a particular philosophy that has given him success. I thought Coach executed his program extremely well. Secondly, an athlete has a choice as to what program he will submit himself to. Simply said, it is the athlete’s choice to remain with a certain program or leave it
    I will readily admit that the training loads were challenging, but no one gets to the top of his event without overcoming many obstacles. I was a boy who was cut from my church baseball team who Timmie turned into a world record holder and three-time Olympian. Coach Timmons was in the business of helping each athlete reach his full potential. I know it pained him when someone dropped out of his program. What is not mentioned by the writer is that Timmie anguished over those athletes who didn’t make it.
    I submit to the readers of this poorly written article, that there is another side to the story of Coach Timmons. After retirement from KU, Coach gave his time to coach junior high track and volleyball as well as encourage those around him to continue to set goals in life. All those that come in contact with Coach and Pat are never the same- the love, kindness, encouragement and sincerity they exude are attributes I have always strived to emulate and examples I have set before my children and grandchildren. I wish Coach all the best in these latter years of his life. I am saddened the writer of the article does not appreciate Coach Timmons and the sacrifices he and his family made for his athletes. He is and will always be loved and respected by a whole host of former athletes, their families and his fellow coaches throughout the Big 8 (now the Big 12).


    Jim Ryun
    United States Olympian (1964, ’68 & ’72)"

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  • jeremyp
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    Originally posted by lovetorun
    I became an avid Ryun fan after watching him sprint easily away from another exceptional kicker, Roscoe Divine of Oregon in the NCAA mile in Provo, 1967. To me Ryun was poetry in motion when fully into his kick...and no one could stay with him in his prime. Too bad his years of Prime were so few.
    His "kick" was most evident when he ran 36.4 last 300m (with an initial 100 burst of 11.6) in a 3.38.2 with super kickers Tummler and Norpoth 4 seconds back. Awesome!!!

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  • Conor Dary
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    Originally posted by dukehjsteve
    If only he had stayed out of politics so I could have continued to like him....
    I loved Mike Ditka as a coach, but when he was courted by the GOP to run against Obama in 2004, he talked of some of the biggest nonsense.
    I was really glad when he pulled out, primarily because he would have to give up his big endorsements, even though he would have been destroyed by the O-man.

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  • G.Ahearn
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    Originally posted by Texas
    What's with Kansas?

    Jim Ryun
    Barry Sanders
    Wes Santee
    Gale Sayers
    Glenn Cunningham
    Maurice Greene

    They were all born in Kansas.
    Also, Archie San Romani Sn. and Jr.

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  • dukehjsteve
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    Originally posted by kuha
    Originally posted by bad hammy
    Originally posted by dukehjsteve
    If only he had stayed out of politics so I could have continued to like him....
    Easily ignored. That has nothing to do with appreciating him as an athlete.
    Exactly. I disagree with the politician basically 100%, but that doesn't affect my admiration for the athlete one bit.
    Well I'm a bit tongue in cheek here, nothing more than that. Nothing personal, but he and his like drove me out of the Republican Party.

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