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  • The success of Richard Tnompson...

    ..got me thinking about foreign athletes at US schools. He is the only sub10.00 sprinter LSU has ever had. As we know he's out of Trinidad. So what schools have a foreign athlete as their greatest 100m man....hmm?

    Eastern Michigan....Hasley Crawford-Trinidad
    Dickinson....Derrick Atkins-Bahamas
    Westmont....Jean Luis Ravelomantsoa...Madagasgar
    Oregon...Harry Jerome-Canada
    UCLA...Ato Boldon-Trinidad
    Fresno State...Mike Agostini...Trinidad
    Azusa Pacific..Davidson Ezinwa-Nigeria
    BYU....Frankie Fredericks-Namibia
    Missouri-Chidi Imoh...Nigeria
    UTEP...Oba Thompson-Barbados
    TCU-Ray Stewart-Jamaica

    Is that it?

    Check out Trinidad. Could even make a case for Edwin Roberts at NCC.

  • #2
    i've watched this guy's vid of his ncaa 60 & 100

    he is a monster !

    he finishes his races like a runaway train

    it's incredible he only has a 20.18pb

    if he gets into some quality furlong races this year, i predict a 19.8, perhaps a 19.7

    you heard it here 1st !

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    • #3
      Understand you're possibly going with lifetime bests, but some other names based on their college careers, not necessarily what they did after as pros....

      Leo Myles-Mills won two NCAA 100s for BYU compared to Frankie's one.

      Michael Green won an NCAA 100 title for Clemson, something Shawn Crawford never did.

      Olapade Adeniken can match Obadele Thompson for UTEP.

      And can anybody out of USC match Lennox Miller, with his Olympic silver and bronze?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by eldrick
        i've watched this guy's vid of his ncaa 60 & 100

        he is a monster !

        he finishes his races like a runaway train

        it's incredible he only has a 20.18pb

        if he gets into some quality furlong races this year, i predict a 19.8, perhaps a 19.7

        you heard it here 1st !
        I never think of him as a 200m guy. If he did get into the event seriously in 2009 I do doubt a sub 19.95. Maybe down the road but not this year.

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        • #5
          dix just pipped him in the ncaa 200 with thommo coming back hard at him - he is helluva 200 guy just waiting to break out

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          • #6
            Stewart over Jon Drummond?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by dakota
              Understand you're possibly going with lifetime bests, but some other names based on their college careers, not necessarily what they did after as pros....

              Leo Myles-Mills won two NCAA 100s for BYU compared to Frankie's one.

              Michael Green won an NCAA 100 title for Clemson, something Shawn Crawford never did.

              Olapade Adeniken can match Obadele Thompson for UTEP.

              And can anybody out of USC match Lennox Miller, with his Olympic silver and bronze?
              I was actually looking more at what a school has produced as to what was actually done while there. No doubt if somebody were to ask.."so who was the greatest sprinter ever at BYU, we'd all ...Frankie Fredericks. That would apply to Clemson also where it would be....Shawn Crawford.

              Thompson was an Oly bronze medalist, had a faster PR and was world ranked higher...so....

              Gotta go with Charlie Paddock the 1920 Olympic 100m gold medalist as USC's greatest 100m man. He was also a WR holder.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tandfman
                Stewart over Jon Drummond?
                I think it's the right call.

                Drummond only really has relay stuff over Stewart. He's got a superior PB of 9.92 but Stewart's 9.96 was in a World Championship final. Drummond struggled to break 10.10 in a championship situation. Not only that, Stewart was the second fastest man in the world in 1989 and was world ranked #1 by T&F News. Drummond never did that. Although Drummond did have six seasons under ten seconds, he only represented the USA at global championships three times. He placed fifth in the Sydney final, failed to advance from the semis in Atlanta, and controversially false-started out of the quarter finals in Paris. He also came seventh in the 1997 200m. He was near the top from 1993-2003.

                Ray Stewart had just the two seasons below ten seconds, but after failing to advance from the semi final in 1983, placed sixth in Los Angeles, took the silver medal in Rome, and reached the next five major championship finals - all be it pulling up injured in Seoul to trail in 7th followed by 6th 7th 8th and 8th. His career stretched from 1983-2001 with his best years being 1987-1995.

                Making seven consecutive finals is a very big deal. Few have done that. Plus he ran sub ten. Plus he won a medal. Plus he has a #1 ranking.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tandfman
                  Stewart over Jon Drummond?
                  Stewart was the number one ranked 100m in the world in 89, in 87 he won the silver medal at the World's. So...yep!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by eldrick
                    dix just pipped him in the ncaa 200 with thommo coming back hard at him - he is helluva 200 guy just waiting to break out
                    Don't know enought about him as a 200m man to have any real opinion.

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                    • #11
                      Hmmmm. Weren't you arguing until you were blue in your face about modern era sprinters being better than guys from the 1920s and 1930s yet now you're saying Charlie Paddock over Lennox Miller.... OK. Cool!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dakota
                        Hmmmm. Weren't you arguing until you were blue in your face about modern era sprinters being better than guys from the 1920s and 1930s yet now you're saying Charlie Paddock over Lennox Miller.... OK. Cool!
                        You're misunderstanding things. Lennox Miller, Don Quarrie and James Sanford would all blow Paddock totally away in a 100m. Clancy Edwards would also beat him. This wasn't about that, I wasn't talking "fastest" I was talking "greatest". That has to be done by who accomplished what during their era. Archie Hahn was an double Olympic 100m champion. His 11.0 in 1904 and his 11.2 in 1906 (yes that's right) wouldn't win a city meet in most places, yet he is a somebody in sprintdom history.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Texas
                          Originally posted by eldrick
                          dix just pipped him in the ncaa 200 with thommo coming back hard at him - he is helluva 200 guy just waiting to break out
                          Don't know enought about him as a 200m man to have any real opinion.
                          the vids there

                          he is ~ 2m down on dix off the curve ( not enough turnover ) but hunts him down in last 50m to just get out-dipped

                          he is the very rarest of animals - the competitive beast who runs whatever it takes to challenge ( outside of wr level of course )

                          if it takes 6.45 to win, he'll go at least 6.50

                          if it takes 9.80 to win, he'll go at least 9.85

                          if it takes 19.70 to win, he'll go at least 19.80

                          whatever it takes, he'll do it !

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                          • #14
                            deleted. let me try that again.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by eldrick
                              Originally posted by Texas
                              Originally posted by eldrick
                              dix just pipped him in the ncaa 200 with thommo coming back hard at him - he is helluva 200 guy just waiting to break out
                              Don't know enought about him as a 200m man to have any real opinion.
                              the vids there

                              he is ~ 2m down on dix off the curve ( not enough turnover ) but hunts him down in last 50m to just get out-dipped

                              he is the very rarest of animals - the competitive beast who runs whatever it takes to challenge ( outside of wr level of course )

                              if it takes 6.45 to win, he'll go at least 6.50

                              if it takes 9.80 to win, he'll go at least 9.85

                              if it takes 19.70 to win, he'll go at least 19.80

                              whatever it takes, he'll do it !
                              Whoa, whoa, whoa slow your roll. Let's give the guy another season and see what happens...ok? Where was Derrick Atkins in 2008? Where was Usain Bolt in the 100m in 2007? Derald Harris won the 1977 USA Nationals in the 200m. Where was he in 78? Where was Kenteris in 1999? Guys come out of nowhere and some fade away. Let's take a wait and see approach...ok?

                              Remember him?

                              1972 Nationals
                              F: 200 meters turn; S/F: 7/7; D: 17 JUN; W: -4.9 mph
                              1. Chuck Smith 20.7

                              2. Dave Jenkins (GBR) 20.8
                              3. Al Hearvey 21.1
                              4. Dennis Walker 21.1
                              5. Earl Harris 21.3
                              6. Mark Lutz 21.3

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