Euro Women Throwers...

[balzonia]

I don't expect a lot of hits with that title... ; )

With the recent performance of Anna Jelmini in the USA can anyone give me comparable marks for great young women throwers form history around the world?

Ilke Wyludda threw very far as a youngster in both... How far at age 18?
I recall some Chinese women threw far in the shot at relative young ages.

Where does 16.60m and 58m rank among 18 year old women in world history?

Thanks for any perspective

[mump boy]

Re: Euro Women Throwers...

I don't expect a lot of hits with that title... ; )

With the recent performance of Anna Jelmini in the USA can anyone give me comparable marks for great young women throwers form history around the world?

Ilke Wyludda threw very far as a youngster in both... How far at age 18?
I recall some Chinese women threw far in the shot at relative young ages.

Where does 16.60m and 58m rank among 18 year old women in world history?

Thanks for any perspective

Ilke Wyludda was born on March 28th 1969

1985 18.27/62.36
1986 19.08/65.86
1987 20.11/71.64 !!!!

astrid kumbernuss 5th feb 70

1987 18.20/63.68
19.88 18.73/66.60

[Vault-emort]

You could compare her with someone like Aussie Dani Samuels (turns 21 in a week or so) though Dani hardly ever trains for the Shot these days

2009 62.69 16.30
2008 62.95 16.30
2007 60.47 16.19
2006 60.63 15.98
2005 58.52 15.53
2004 52.21 15.50

The Germans don't seem to have had too many junior throws prodigies since the 1980s,,..just sayin..

[AS]

Here's what I had to say re: Jemini in the other thread:

Putting it into the global context Jelmini's 57.40m (or thereabouts) would have ranked her in the following positions in recent years for juniors (i.e. under 20) and amongst HSers (i'm going with anyone who isn't 19 or over):

2008: 1, 1
2007: 4, 2 (top marks: 60.47, 57.58)
2006: =4, =2 (60.63, 60.63)
2005: 4, 4 (58.88, 58.88)
2004: 5, 1 (58.85, 56.06)
2003: 3, 3 (60.20, 60.20)
2002: 4, 2 (62.54, 58.85)
2001: 5, 3 (59.97, 58.65)

She is worth getting excited about, and what also becomes apparent from the lists is that junior success in this event has translated pretty well in recent years. Two of the more prominent early achievers on these rankings have kept it up as they transitioned to senior ranks (although moreso with with the first one):

Dani Samuels (born 26 May 1988
2009 62.69
2008 62.95 9th OG
2007 60.47 13th WC
2006 60.63 3rd CG, 1st WJ
2005 58.52 1st WY

Xuejen Ma (26 March 1985)
2009 60.55
2008 61.92 23rd OG
2007 62.57 9th WC
2006 65.00
2005 61.87
2004 57.85 1st WJ
2003 60.20
2002 58.85 1st WJ
2001 58.65 1st WY

All time Junior list is very Euro and 80s heavy and can be found here:
http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/toplists ... etail.html

There are only 5 non-Euros/Soviets (of which 3 are Chinese and 1 Cuban). The odd one out is Sua's 63.44m. Jemini needs to find another 6m in next 7 months to make the all-time top 20.

Here's the number of Europeans in Top 10 Juniors for past 6 seasons (with Chinese in brackets for comparison):
2008: 5 (3)
2007: 3 (5)
2006: 1 (5)
2005: 1 (6)
2004: 4 (6)
2003: 2 (4) and 4 USAians