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  • lonewolf
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    I have a 24 volume set numbered 1 thru 24, did not know I was missing a volume. Inexplicably, I have duplicates of six volumes. Dunno why.
    I havent read all of all of the series. It kinda jumps around but has lots of stuff you probably never heard of about athletes, teams and incidents on and off the field and about most sports in addition to track and field. Good browsing but not the best source of detailed performance stastics.

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  • bambam
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    Originally posted by Double R Bar
    Of course the IOC is not going to make a big deal of it (just like the steeplechase and the 200).
    The IOC did not have anything specific to do with the Olympic Series that lonewolf is referring to, in terms of censoring it or anything. It was the brainchild of Gary Allison, a former TV and movie producer from LA. He had some support from the USOC, and enlisted a number of people to help him with the research (I'm listed as the statistical consultant for the books). Gary also used the IOC Archives but that was the extent of their support. The series had some difficulty as Gary started to run out of money and the first volume was never published, only the last 24. Gary died a few years ago, so I doubt we'll ever see the final volume. You are correct, however, that the IOC would definitely want to whitewash whatever was written in it to make the Olympic Movement always look good.

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  • wineturtle
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    Originally posted by Double R Bar
    Of course the IOC is not going to make a big deal of it (just like the steeplechase and the 200).
    I know about the 3400 meter steeple & that the mens 200 meters had WRs in all the 1/4 finals, Metcalf, Tolan ,Argentine Bianchi Lutti and Germanys Jonath but DK of any official gaff.
    Explain please.

    edit to fix Lutti

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  • Double R Bar
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    Of course the IOC is not going to make a big deal of it (just like the steeplechase and the 200).

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  • lonewolf
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    My IOC, USOC , WSRP Volume X (1932) of the Olympic Series makes no direct reference to this incident stating only that "the pole vault final turned out to be so suspenseful that even some officials assigned to other events taking place at the same time were attracted to the MIller-Nishida showdown."

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  • Double R Bar
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    I doubt that any of the 1932 Los Angeles Olympic officials are still alive, but I would love to talk with any, if I could.

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  • lonewolf
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    Whatever the circumstances, not a glorious moment in Olympic officiating.

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  • Double R Bar
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    That's the story I always remember. The pole vault was going on at the same time and was almost finished (great competition between Bill Miller and Shuhei Nishida). The discus officials were watching the pole vaulters and missed the fourth throw by Jules Noel of France.
    I also remember stories that some of the French athletes, including Jules Noel, drank wine during the competition (even though the 18th U.S. Amendment was the law of the land). I'm not sure how true this story is, but I have read it more than once and have heard stories from U.S. athletes who saw it.

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  • dj
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    Originally posted by imaginative
    Do you suspect an analog to the Moscow triple jump?
    No. The most reliable accounts indicate that the officials who were marking were distracted by the one of the last few attempts in the pole vault. There's nothing to indicate that the people in the ring were distracted.

    Noel was the second thrower in round 4, and the first thrower's mark had been measured.

    All throws apparently were measured as they were made. The reference to the marker for Anderson was that this was a marker to indicate the distance of the leader's best mark thus far.

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  • imaginative
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    Do you suspect an analog to the Moscow triple jump?

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  • lonewolf
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    Originally posted by Double R Bar
    The Frenchman who finished in fourth place (Jules Noel) had a fourth round toss past Anderson's leading marker, however none of the discus officials actually saw the throw and Noel was given an extra throw. Noel couldn't manage anything better than fourth place. .
    I had never heard this story.
    Fourth round implies they were in finals. Marker implies throws were marked for measurement after completion of competition instead of after each throw.
    It strains credulity that:
    1. If the competitor was called up multiple Olympic officials did not see a competitor step into the ring to throw and/or
    2. A competitior threw without being called up and making certain officials were watching.

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  • Double R Bar
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    Very good, dj. Yesterday was 102 years since John Anderson was born (he died at the age of 41). Yes, John Anderson did win the Olympic gold medal in the 1932 discus throw. The Frenchman who finished in fourth place (Jules Noel) had a fourth round toss past Anderson's leading marker, however none of the discus officials actually saw the throw and Noel was given an extra throw. Noel couldn't manage anything better than fourth place.
    The 1932 Los Angeles Olympics certainly had more than their share of bad officiating (men's 200 and steeplechase), but this discus might have been the worst.
    Happy birthday July 4 to John Anderson.

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  • dj
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    Nobody's really tried answering, so it's time to jump in:

    John Anderson, Cornell (big red). DT OG champ in '32 when the rightful winner's best mark was missed by the judges.

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  • Double R Bar
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    I looked it up and yes, he was a member of the Quill and Dagger Society. I never knew that.

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  • bambam
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    Folks, wineturtle sent me a pm about this thread. A note to people about sending me pms. I really, really appreciate them but for some reason I can no longer answer them. The answer comes back to me and it makes me look rude and/or ungrateful. I appreciate anytime you send me info about our Olympic site. If you need to reach me it is better to e-mail at [email protected]

    Thanks for the pms anyway. Garry has never heard of this and neither have their IT folks so not fixed at this time.

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